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Just a heads up that the Swiss-US tax treaty has specific provisions for dividend withholding that you should be aware of. The standard withholding rate from Switzerland is 35%, but under the treaty, US partnerships can often get this reduced to 15%. If you've had the full 35% withheld, your partners might be getting more foreign tax credits than they're actually entitled to. The IRS can disallow "excess" foreign tax credits if you could have taken steps to reduce the foreign tax but chose not to. Make sure you're applying the treaty rate correctly.
This is crucial info. If you've had 35% withheld instead of the treaty rate of 15%, you might be able to claim a refund from the Swiss tax authorities rather than claiming the full amount as an FTC. There's a specific form for this from the Swiss Federal Tax Administration.
I've been dealing with similar foreign dividend reporting issues for our partnership. One thing that really helped me was creating a detailed spreadsheet to track all the foreign dividends by country, date, and tax withheld. This made it much easier to complete the K-2/K-3 forms accurately. For Swiss dividends specifically, make sure you're checking whether your ETFs qualify for the reduced treaty withholding rate. Some Swiss ETFs are structured in ways that don't qualify for the full treaty benefits, which affects how much foreign tax credit your partners can actually claim. Also, double-check that your brokerage statements are correctly identifying which portions of the dividends are qualified vs ordinary. I found some discrepancies in our statements that would have caused issues with our K-2 reporting. The foreign tax needs to be allocated proportionally between qualified and ordinary dividends, so getting this right is critical for your partners' Form 1116 calculations. ProSeries should handle the K-2/K-3 generation once you input the data correctly, but the key is making sure all your source data is properly categorized before you start entering it into the software.
This is exactly the kind of systematic approach I needed to hear about! I've been trying to piece together information from multiple sources but creating a comprehensive tracking spreadsheet sounds like the foundation I was missing. Quick question about the ETF structure issue you mentioned - how do you determine if a Swiss ETF qualifies for treaty benefits? Is this something that's disclosed in the fund documentation, or do you need to research the specific legal structure of each fund? Our Swiss ETFs are all traded through our US brokerage, so I'm wondering if that affects the treaty qualification at all. Also, when you say ProSeries handles the K-2/K-3 generation, does it automatically allocate the foreign taxes proportionally between qualified and ordinary dividends, or do you have to manually calculate those allocations before entering the data?
As someone who's dealt with payroll system errors before, I'd recommend also checking your state tax withholdings if applicable. Sometimes when the federal SSN is wrong, it can cascade to state systems too, especially if your employer uses integrated payroll software. You should also verify that your employer's EIN (Employer Identification Number) is correct on your paystubs. If they've been reporting your wages to the wrong SSN, you want to make sure they're at least using the right employer ID so the IRS can potentially match things up later if needed. One more thing - if you have direct deposit, double-check that your bank account information in their system is correct. Sometimes when there are data entry errors in one field, there might be mistakes in others. Better to catch everything now rather than discover more issues at tax time.
This is really helpful advice! I hadn't even thought about state taxes being affected too. I just checked and my state withholdings do look correct on my paystubs, but I'll definitely verify the EIN number - that's something I never really paid attention to before. My direct deposit has been working fine, so I think that part is okay, but you're right that it's worth double-checking everything while I'm already dealing with this mess. Thanks for pointing out these other potential issues!
I went through something similar a few years ago when my employer's payroll department made a typo in my SSN. Here's what I learned from that experience: 1. Get everything in writing from your HR department about the correction timeline. Don't just rely on verbal promises that it will be fixed. 2. Request a printout or screenshot of your corrected employee profile once they update it in their system. This serves as proof that the correction was made. 3. Follow up in December to confirm your W-2 will be generated with the correct SSN. Sometimes corrections get made in one system but don't carry over to the tax document generation system. 4. If you're concerned about your Social Security earnings record, you can create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov and monitor it periodically. While there's a delay in reporting, you'll eventually be able to see if your 2024 earnings are properly credited to your account. The good news is that since you caught this in October, you have plenty of time to get it resolved before W-2s are issued. Most employers are pretty responsive to fixing these types of errors once they're aware of them, especially when it affects tax reporting.
This is excellent step-by-step advice! I'm definitely going to follow all of these recommendations. I've already started documenting everything with HR, but I hadn't thought about requesting proof of the corrected employee profile - that's really smart. One question about the Social Security earnings record - if my 2024 earnings don't show up correctly by next year, how long should I wait before contacting SSA? I want to make sure I give the system enough time to update, but I also don't want to let it slide too long if there's actually a problem that needs to be addressed. Also, thanks for mentioning the December follow-up timeline. I was planning to just assume everything would be fixed automatically, but you're right that I should actively verify the W-2 will be correct before it gets issued.
I work in international student services at a university and see this question frequently. There's one important detail no one has mentioned yet - the "substantial presence test" counts days differently for F1 students. For the first 5 calendar years you're in the US in F1 status, you're considered an "exempt individual" and those days don't count toward the substantial presence test. After that 5-year period, your days start counting, and many F1 students who've been here longer actually do qualify as residents for tax purposes. When exactly did you arrive in 2021? If it was early in the year, you might be approaching that 5-year mark where your status could change.
This is super helpful! I'm not OP but I've been here on F1 since Feb 2019. Does that mean 2023 was my 5th calendar year and for 2024 taxes I'll be considered a resident? My tax preparer never mentioned this!
Thanks for this insight! I arrived in August 2021, so if I'm counting correctly, my 5 calendar years would be 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. So I'd potentially qualify as a resident for tax purposes in 2026 when filing for the 2025 tax year? The tax consultant made it sound like we could choose to be residents right now, which seemed off to me. Sounds like we definitely need to file as non-residents for our 2023 taxes.
I'm also on F1 OPT and went through a similar confusion last year! Your tax consultant seems to be mixing up different concepts. There's no way to just "choose" to be a resident for tax purposes when you're on F1 status and haven't met the substantial presence test yet. What they might be thinking of is the Section 6013(g) election, which allows a non-resident alien married to a US citizen or resident to elect to be treated as a resident for tax purposes. But this only works if ONE spouse is already a US citizen or resident - since you're both on F1 visas, this doesn't apply. The substantial presence test exemption for F1 students is very clear - you're exempt for your first 5 calendar years in F1 status, and there's no way around that. Filing incorrectly could cause serious problems with USCIS later when you apply for status changes. I'd strongly recommend getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in international taxation, preferably one recommended by your university's international student office. The potential tax savings from joint filing aren't worth the risk of immigration complications down the road. Also, don't forget that as F1 students, you may be eligible for certain tax treaty benefits depending on your country of citizenship that could reduce your tax liability even as non-residents.
This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I was looking for! The Section 6013(g) election sounds like what the tax consultant was confused about. It's frustrating when tax preparers don't fully understand the nuances of F1 visa taxation. You mentioned tax treaty benefits - do you know if there are specific treaties that could help with education expenses or other deductions for F1 students? I'm originally from Mexico, so I'm wondering if the US-Mexico tax treaty has any provisions that might be relevant to our situation. Also, did you end up finding a good CPA through your university's international office? I'm starting to think that's the safest route rather than trying to navigate this on our own.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation and was completely lost about how to handle my scholarship money for apartment rent. Reading through everyone's experiences really clarifies things. One thing I'm still wondering about though - what if you receive scholarship money in one tax year but use it for expenses in the next year? Like if I got a scholarship disbursement in December 2024 but used it to pay spring semester tuition and rent in January 2025, which year do I report the taxable portion on? Also, for anyone still struggling with the calculations, I found it helpful to start with your total scholarship/grant amount, then subtract out your qualified expenses in this order: tuition first, then required fees, then required books/supplies. Whatever's left over after covering those qualified expenses is what you'd report as taxable income, regardless of whether you actually spent it on rent or just kept it in savings. The record-keeping advice from Molly is spot on - I wish I had started tracking everything more carefully from the beginning of the school year instead of trying to reconstruct it all at tax time!
Great question about the timing issue! From what I understand, scholarship income is generally reported in the tax year you receive it, not when you spend it. So if you got that December 2024 disbursement, it would go on your 2024 tax return even if you used it for 2025 expenses. But honestly, this timing stuff can get really complicated - especially if you're on different academic and tax year calendars. You might want to double-check this with a tax professional or call the IRS directly since I've seen conflicting advice on this particular scenario. The calculation method you described sounds exactly right though - start with total scholarships, subtract qualified expenses in that order, and whatever's left is taxable. I'm definitely going to be more organized with my record-keeping going forward after reading everyone's experiences here!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a graduate student dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I learned from my university's financial aid office that might help others. One important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're a graduate student receiving a stipend or assistantship that covers housing costs, the tax treatment can be slightly different than undergraduate scholarships. Graduate stipends are often considered taxable income regardless of how you use them, and you should receive a 1099-MISC rather than having it reported on a 1098-T. Also, for anyone using tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block, most of them have specific sections for reporting scholarship income that walk you through the qualified vs. non-qualified expense calculations. It's usually under the "Education" section and asks you to enter your total scholarships/grants and then your qualified education expenses. One last tip - if you're claiming education credits (like the American Opportunity Credit), be strategic about which expenses you use for the credit versus which ones you use to reduce your taxable scholarship income. You can't "double-dip" by using the same expenses for both purposes, but you can optimize to minimize your overall tax liability. The apartment rent situation is definitely taxable income though - that part is clear regardless of whether you're undergraduate or graduate level!
This is really helpful information about graduate stipends! I had no idea the tax treatment was different. I'm actually starting a PhD program next fall with a research assistantship that includes housing allowance, so this is super relevant. Do you know if the housing allowance portion of a graduate assistantship is always taxable, or does it depend on how the university structures it? I'm trying to plan ahead for what my tax situation will look like. Also, that tip about being strategic with education credits versus reducing taxable scholarship income is something I never would have thought of - definitely going to keep that in mind when I'm doing my taxes!
Ezra Beard
The answers here are helpful but don't forget there's a difference between having to file and actually owing tax. A lot of states require filing even if you don't end up owing anything. Or they might have minimum tax amounts even with losses.
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Statiia Aarssizan
ā¢Good point. Massachusetts and California both have minimum excise taxes regardless of whether you have net income. And New York requires filing based on gross receipts thresholds even if you'd otherwise qualify for P.L. 86-272 protection.
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Isabel Vega
This is such a timely discussion - I'm dealing with a similar multi-state nexus nightmare right now. One thing I'd add is to make sure you're also considering franchise tax obligations, not just corporate income tax. Some states like Delaware and Texas have franchise taxes that can apply even when you don't have income tax nexus. Also, for anyone using remote workers, keep detailed records of where they're actually performing work versus where they're "based." I learned the hard way that some states care more about where the work is physically performed than where the employee officially resides. Our tax advisor said this documentation could be crucial if we ever get audited on our nexus determinations. The economic nexus thresholds are changing so frequently that whatever resource you use, make sure it's updated at least quarterly. I've seen states lower their thresholds mid-year without much fanfare.
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Zara Rashid
ā¢Great point about franchise taxes! I'm just starting to research this whole area and hadn't even considered that there might be separate franchise tax obligations on top of income tax requirements. The documentation tip about tracking where remote work is actually performed is really valuable - I can see how that would be easy to overlook until it's too late. Do you have any specific recommendations for how to structure that documentation? Like should we be having employees log their work locations daily, or is something less detailed sufficient? Also, when you mention quarterly updates to economic nexus thresholds - are there any particular states that seem to change their rules more frequently than others? I want to make sure we're monitoring the right jurisdictions closely.
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