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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a CPA and wanted to add one important point that hasn't been fully addressed - documentation is absolutely critical for gift tax valuation dates, especially when market volatility is involved. Beyond just keeping your mailing receipt or broker confirmation, I always advise clients to create a simple written record that includes: (1) the exact date you mailed/delivered the transfer documents, (2) the stock's closing price on that date, (3) the exact number of shares being gifted, and (4) the calculated total value. Print out the stock quote from that date and staple it to your records. This becomes especially important if the IRS ever questions your valuation date during an audit. Having contemporaneous documentation showing you calculated the gift value based on the date you relinquished control (rather than trying to reconstruct it later) provides much stronger support for your position. Also, for anyone getting close to the annual exclusion limits, consider making the gift earlier in December rather than late in the year. This gives you more flexibility if market movements put you over the limit - you'd still have time to make additional planning moves before year-end if needed.
This is excellent advice about documentation! As someone who went through an IRS audit a few years back (unrelated issue), I can confirm that having contemporaneous records makes all the difference. One thing I'd add - if you're using online brokerage platforms, take screenshots of both the stock price AND your account showing the pending transfer on the date you submit everything. I learned this the hard way when trying to reconstruct values months later and finding that historical data wasn't as easily accessible as I thought it would be. The December timing tip is brilliant too. I made a gift on December 29th last year and spent the whole holiday weekend stressed about whether a last-minute price jump would push me over the limit. Starting earlier in December would have given me so much more peace of mind and flexibility to adjust if needed.
As someone who works in estate planning, I wanted to add a practical tip for anyone dealing with volatile stocks during gift transfers. Consider using a "collar" strategy if you're worried about price movements after initiating the transfer. Once you've mailed your transfer documents (establishing your valuation date), you could potentially purchase put options on the same stock to protect against further upside that might push you over the annual exclusion. This doesn't change your gift valuation date, but it can provide some peace of mind if you're cutting it close to the limit. Obviously, this adds complexity and cost, so it's probably only worth considering for larger gifts or highly volatile stocks. But it's an option that many people don't think about when they're stressed about market movements after the fact. Also, just to echo what others have said - definitely keep detailed records of your mailing date and the stock price that day. I've seen too many clients scramble to reconstruct this information later when they could have easily documented it at the time.
This collar strategy is really interesting! I never thought about using options to hedge against price movements after establishing the valuation date. That could definitely provide peace of mind for someone in my situation where the stock has been climbing since I mailed the documents. Just to make sure I understand correctly - since the gift valuation is locked in at the mailing date (1/2 in my case), any hedging I do after that point wouldn't affect the gift tax calculation, right? It would just be protecting me psychologically from watching the "what if" scenario play out? Also, do you happen to know if there are any gift tax implications to the options strategy itself? I assume not since it's a separate transaction in my own account, but want to make sure I'm not creating any unintended complications.
I know this is slightly off topic, but which medical studies are paying so well? I've only been finding ones that pay like $50-100 for a day of testing, and you made $5,800? Are you doing pharmaceutical trials or something more involved?
Not OP but I've done several clinical trials for new medications. The longer studies with overnight stays can pay really well - I did one that was 3 overnight stays and numerous follow-up visits that paid $4,200. The compensation usually relates to the level of risk and time commitment.
I'm a tax professional and can confirm that your medical study income on 1099-MISC forms absolutely qualifies as earned income for Roth IRA contributions. The IRS considers compensation for your time, participation, and following study protocols as "payment for services rendered," which falls squarely under the earned income definition. The key test is whether you're being paid for your active participation versus just receiving reimbursement for expenses. Since you're undergoing tests, taking medications, attending appointments, and following specific protocols, you're clearly providing services that warrant compensation. A few important points to remember: - This income is subject to self-employment tax (15.3%), so plan accordingly - You'll need to file Schedule C to report this business income - Keep records of any unreimbursed expenses related to your participation (travel, parking, etc.) as these may be deductible - The $6,500 Roth IRA contribution limit for 2024 still applies regardless of your total earned income Your $5,800 from medical studies gives you plenty of room to make a substantial Roth contribution this year. Just make sure to set aside funds for the additional taxes you'll owe on this self-employment income.
This is really helpful confirmation from a professional perspective! I'm curious about the Schedule C requirement - since this isn't really a "business" in the traditional sense, do I still need to treat it like one? And for the business description on Schedule C, would I just put something like "Medical research participant" or is there a more official category the IRS expects? Also, when you mention keeping records of unreimbursed expenses, does that include things like time off work to attend appointments, or just direct out-of-pocket costs like transportation and parking?
The IRS is so behind rn its not even funny. My brother filed in February last year and didnt see his $ until September smh
this is why im using taxr.ai this year. no more guessing games
I'm in a similar situation - filed with TurboTax about a week ago and got the acceptance notification. From what I've read, the test batch thing is mostly for early filers in December/January before the season officially opens. Since we're filing now during regular season, we're definitely in the normal processing queue. The 21-day timeline is pretty standard for simple returns, but it can vary. I've been checking WMR obsessively too š Hang in there!
I'm in the exact same situation! Filed our 941-X for 2020 Q2 and Q3 back in September 2021 and still nothing. We're a small restaurant that kept 8 employees on payroll even when we were only doing takeout orders during the lockdowns. The credit would be around $42,000 for us. I've been following this thread closely and just wanted to say thank you to everyone sharing their experiences and suggestions. It's reassuring to know we're not alone in this endless waiting game, even though it's frustrating that so many small businesses are still stuck in limbo. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like persistence is key - whether that's through the phone services mentioned, document review tools, or just keeping detailed records for follow-up letters. Has anyone had success with congressional inquiries? I've heard mixed things about whether local representatives can actually help with IRS issues like this.
I reached out to my congressman's office about my ERC delay last year and surprisingly got some help! They have a specific process for tax-related inquiries where they can submit a congressional inquiry to the IRS on your behalf. It took about 6 weeks, but I got a response from the IRS through my congressman's office with an actual timeline estimate for my claim. They couldn't speed up the process, but at least I got confirmation that my 941-X wasn't lost and an estimated processing timeframe. The key is you need to show you've already tried normal channels first - so document your phone call attempts, any letters you've sent, etc. Most congressional offices have a standard form on their website for tax issues. Worth a shot if you've been waiting this long!
This thread has been incredibly helpful - thank you all for sharing your experiences! I'm in a similar situation with our 2020 ERC claim filed via 941-X in late 2021, still waiting. Reading through everyone's updates, it seems like there are really three main approaches that have worked: 1) Using tools like taxr.ai to identify and fix potential errors in your filing, 2) Getting through to the IRS via services like Claimyr to get actual status updates, and 3) Being persistent with follow-up documentation and inquiry letters. What strikes me is how many of you discovered errors or missing documentation that was causing delays - makes me wonder if I should review my own filing more carefully. The IRS clearly isn't going to tell you what's wrong; you have to figure it out yourself. For those still waiting like me, it's frustrating but somewhat comforting to know this isn't unusual. Emma Wilson's 26-month timeline gives me hope that these claims are still being processed, just very slowly. I think I'll try the document review approach first, then maybe the phone service if I can't identify any obvious issues with my filing. Has anyone here had their claim outright denied, or have most of you who waited long enough eventually received payment?
Great summary of the options, Rami! I'm new to this community but have been lurking and reading through everyone's experiences. Like you, I filed my 941-X for 2020 in late 2021 and am still waiting on about $38,000 in ERC refunds. From what I've gathered here, most people who waited it out eventually got paid - I haven't seen anyone report an outright denial yet, which is encouraging. The delays seem to be more about processing backlogs and catching errors rather than the IRS rejecting legitimate claims. I think your three-step approach makes sense. I'm planning to start with reviewing my documentation first too. Based on what Paolo and Amina shared about finding calculation errors they didn't know they had, it seems like there might be common mistakes that are easy to overlook but cause major delays. Has anyone kept track of what the most common errors are that these review tools find? Might be helpful for those of us doing our own document review to know what to look for specifically.
Carmen Vega
Has anyone here dealt with allocation of shared utilities in a situation like this? I'm in a similar position with a commercial/residential mixed building and I'm confused about how to handle common area utilities when part is business and part is personal.
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Zara Mirza
ā¢For shared utilities, you'll need a reasonable allocation method consistently applied. Square footage is most common - if your personal space is 30% of the building, you'd allocate 30% of common utilities as personal (non-deductible) and 70% as business expense. Some property owners install separate meters when possible, which makes documentation cleaner. For things that can't be separately metered, keep detailed records of your allocation methodology. The IRS wants to see that you're using a reasonable, consistent approach rather than arbitrary assignments.
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Mohammad Khaled
One thing I'd strongly recommend is getting everything documented properly from the start. When we did a similar conversion, our CPA advised us to create a formal "conversion plan" that outlined exactly when each unit would transition from business to personal use, along with the square footage allocations. This documentation became crucial later when we had questions about which improvements qualified for depreciation. We included photos of the property before improvements, detailed cost breakdowns for each area, and a timeline of when different spaces would change use. Also, consider whether you want to elect out of bonus depreciation for some of these improvements. While bonus depreciation gives you bigger deductions upfront, it can create complications if you convert units to personal use shortly after. Sometimes taking regular depreciation over the longer schedule gives you more flexibility, especially with mixed-use properties like yours. Your accountant will probably want to see all this documentation, so getting it organized now will save you time and potentially money in professional fees later!
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Drake
ā¢This is really helpful advice about documentation! I'm just starting to research this topic since my family is considering a similar situation. Quick question - when you mention "electing out of bonus depreciation," is that something you do on a property-by-property basis or improvement-by-improvement basis? And does that election have to be made in the first year you place the improvements in service, or can you make that choice later? I want to make sure I understand the timing before we start any work.
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