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Nia Wilson

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Quick question - has anyone dealt with selling shares that are held in an LLC taxed as an S-Corp? I'm getting conflicting advice on whether the installment method can be used in that scenario.

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Omar Farouk

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Yes, you can use the installment method when selling shares of an S-Corporation. The key is that you're selling your ownership interest, not assets inside the company. The installment method works for most capital assets, including S-Corp shares. Report it on Form 6252 and then carry the information to Schedule D.

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Nia Wilson

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Thanks, that's really helpful. My accountant mentioned something about "hot assets" potentially complicating things, but sounds like that's more relevant to partnership sales rather than S-Corp stock?

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NebulaNinja

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This is a great question that many people don't realize until they're in the middle of it! One important thing to add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you keep detailed records of ALL payments as they come in throughout the year. Create a simple spreadsheet tracking each payment date, amount, and which milestone it corresponds to. Also, consider setting aside 25-30% of each payment for taxes (depending on your tax bracket). Since you're receiving money throughout the year, it's easy to spend it and then get hit with a big tax bill. I learned this the hard way with my first installment sale - ended up scrambling to find cash for quarterly estimated payments. One more tip: if any of your original shares qualify for QSBS (Qualified Small Business Stock), you could potentially exclude up to $10 million or 10x your basis from federal taxes. Definitely worth checking if your company was a C-Corp with gross assets under $50 million when the stock was issued.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, thank you! The 25-30% savings tip is something I definitely wouldn't have thought of. Quick question - when you mention QSBS qualification, how do I find out if my shares qualify? Is there specific documentation I should be looking for from when I originally received the shares? I got mine about 8 years ago as part of an early employee package, so I'm not sure what records I still have from back then.

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Malik Thomas

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This thread has been absolutely fantastic! I'm launching a SaaS platform for nonprofit donor management and was equally confused about the EIN classification. Reading through everyone's experiences has made it crystal clear that "service" is the right choice for subscription-based software businesses. What I particularly appreciate is how this discussion provides both the practical guidance (everyone who's done this successfully selected "service") and the theoretical foundation (we provide ongoing access and continuous service delivery rather than selling owned products). The IRS documentation references like Publication 535 and the NAICS code information add that extra layer of official backing. I'm definitely going to create that documentation memo with my reasoning and citations - such smart advice from FireflyDreams and others. It's reassuring to know that this classification has worked well for SaaS businesses across so many different industries, from project management to healthcare to e-learning. Thanks to Carmen for starting this discussion and to everyone who shared their expertise. This is exactly why I love this community - experienced entrepreneurs taking the time to help newcomers navigate these administrative challenges. The collective wisdom here is invaluable for those of us just starting our SaaS journey!

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Welcome to the community, Malik! Nonprofit donor management is such an important space - those organizations really need better tools to maintain relationships with their supporters effectively. I've been following this entire thread as someone who's about to start my own SaaS journey (developing a platform for small business project tracking), and it's been incredibly educational to see how consistent the advice has been across all these different software verticals. Whether it's healthcare, e-learning, nonprofit management, or any other SaaS model, the "service" classification just makes sense when you think about the ongoing relationship we provide to customers. The documentation strategy everyone has mentioned is brilliant - I hadn't considered creating a formal memo with reasoning and IRS citations, but it's such a smart way to show thoughtful decision-making. Between Publication 535, the NAICS codes, and all the real-world validation from successful SaaS entrepreneurs in this thread, there's more than enough official backing to feel confident in this choice. What strikes me most about this discussion is how it's become this incredible resource that newcomers like us can reference not just for the EIN classification question, but for understanding the fundamental principles of how SaaS businesses are viewed by government agencies. That's knowledge that will be valuable well beyond just filling out this one form!

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Kai Santiago

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This has been an absolutely incredible thread to follow! I'm in the process of launching a SaaS platform for small business payroll management and was facing the exact same confusion about EIN classification that Carmen originally posted about. Reading through all the experiences shared here has given me complete confidence that "service" is definitively the correct classification for subscription-based software businesses. The consensus is remarkable - every single entrepreneur who's actually gone through this process successfully chose "service" and had no issues with that decision. What really clinched it for me was the fundamental distinction that several people explained: we're providing ongoing access, continuous updates, technical support, and platform maintenance rather than selling a product that customers own. That makes the service classification feel completely logical rather than arbitrary. I'm particularly grateful for all the practical implementation advice - the documentation memo idea with IRS citations (Publication 535, NAICS codes) is brilliant and shows real thoughtfulness in business decision-making. The tools like taxr.ai and Claimyr also sound incredibly useful for getting additional validation when needed. This community is amazing - the willingness of experienced SaaS entrepreneurs to share detailed guidance and real-world experiences makes navigating these administrative hurdles so much less intimidating. Thank you to everyone who contributed to creating such a comprehensive resource for newcomers like myself!

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Welcome to the community, Kai! Payroll management for small businesses is such a needed solution - there are so many pain points in that space that a well-designed SaaS platform could really address. I'm just getting started myself with a SaaS platform for retail inventory optimization, and this entire thread has been like striking gold! What amazes me most is how this discussion has evolved into this comprehensive guide that covers everything from the basic classification decision to official IRS documentation, practical implementation tips, and even specialized tools for getting direct government guidance. The unanimous consensus around "service" classification from everyone who's actually been through this process is incredibly reassuring. When you have that kind of real-world validation backed up by official IRS publications, it really removes the guesswork and anxiety from what initially seemed like such a high-stakes decision. I love how this community comes together to help each other navigate these administrative challenges. As someone who's much more comfortable building software than filling out government forms, having access to this collective wisdom makes the business formation process feel so much more manageable. Thanks to everyone who's contributed to making this such an invaluable resource!

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Great question about finding those first specialized clients! I started by reaching out to my personal network - friends, family, former colleagues - and being very specific about what I could help with. Instead of saying "I do taxes," I said "I specialize in helping W-2 employees maximize their deductions and handle simple investment income." I also volunteered for one more VITA season after getting certified, which gave me more practice and let me build relationships with other volunteers who became referral sources. Many VITA clients asked if I did paid prep, so I had a pipeline ready. LinkedIn was surprisingly effective too. I posted about completing my certification and offered to help connections with straightforward returns at a discounted rate. Word of mouth is everything in this business - do great work for 5-10 people and they'll each refer 2-3 more. The key was being honest about my experience level but confident about what I could deliver. Clients appreciated the transparency and lower rates while I was learning.

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Justin Evans

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This is really helpful advice about networking and specializing! I'm curious - when you were starting out with those first clients, how did you handle the insurance and liability aspects? Did you get professional liability insurance right away, or wait until you had more clients? I'm trying to figure out all the business setup costs I need to budget for beyond just the software and certifications.

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Nolan Carter

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Congratulations on completing your VITA/TCE advanced certification! That's a solid foundation to build on. Since you're operating from abroad, I'd recommend focusing on these key steps: 1. **Get your PTIN immediately** - This is non-negotiable for paid preparation. The IRS online application is straightforward and you can do it from anywhere. 2. **Consider your target market carefully** - Being abroad actually gives you some advantages for serving expats, military overseas, or clients in different time zones. You might want to specialize in this niche since you understand the unique challenges. 3. **Start small and local (digitally speaking)** - Even though you're abroad, consider focusing on clients from one or two states initially to simplify compliance requirements. Some states have minimal requirements beyond the federal PTIN. 4. **Professional liability insurance is crucial** - Don't skip this step. E&O insurance for tax preparers runs about $200-500 annually and protects you from costly mistakes. Look into NATP or NAEA membership which often includes insurance options. 5. **Practice management software** - Beyond tax prep software, you'll need client portals, document management, and scheduling tools. Many all-in-one solutions exist specifically for remote tax practices. The remote aspect is actually becoming more normal post-COVID, so don't let that discourage you. Focus on building systems that demonstrate professionalism despite the distance.

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Great thread everyone! As someone who's been reselling for about 2 years now, I want to add a few things that helped me get organized early on: 1. **Separate bank account**: Open a dedicated business checking account for your reselling income/expenses. Makes tracking SO much easier come tax time and looks more professional if you ever get audited. 2. **Mileage tracking**: Don't just track post office runs - also track trips to thrift stores, garage sales, or anywhere you source inventory. The IRS standard mileage rate for 2024 is 67 cents per mile, so it adds up fast. 3. **Photo documentation**: Take photos of your dedicated business space and storage setup. If you're using part of a room, measure and photograph exactly what area is exclusively for business. This saved me during a state tax review last year. 4. **Quarterly estimated taxes**: Once you're making consistent profit (even $400+), consider making quarterly payments to avoid a big tax bill and potential penalties. The IRS has a safe harbor rule where you can pay 100% of last year's tax liability to avoid penalties. The learning curve is steep but totally worth it once you get systems in place. Keep every receipt and document everything - your future self will thank you!

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm just starting out and feeling overwhelmed by all the tax implications. Quick question about the separate bank account - do I need to set it up as a business account specifically, or can I just open a second personal checking account and use it exclusively for reselling? I'm worried about the fees that come with business accounts when I'm still pretty small scale. Also, for the quarterly payments - how do you calculate what to pay if this is your first year and you don't have previous tax liability to base it on? I'm probably going to hit that $400 threshold soon but have no idea how to estimate what I'll owe.

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@Amara Oluwaseyi Great questions! For the bank account, you can absolutely start with a second personal checking account - that s'actually what I did my first year. Just make sure you use it ONLY for business transactions. Many banks offer free business checking for small businesses anyway, so it might be worth comparing fees. The key is having that clear separation for tax purposes. For quarterly payments in your first year, you can estimate based on your projected annual profit. A rough rule of thumb: take your monthly net profit, multiply by 12, then set aside about 25-30% for taxes this (covers federal income tax, self-employment tax, and some state tax depending where you live .)It s'better to overpay slightly and get a refund than underpay and face penalties. You can also use Form 1040ES to help calculate estimates, or honestly, even a simple online calculator can get you in the ballpark. The IRS is pretty forgiving if you make a good faith effort to estimate correctly. Just don t'wait until April to deal with it - that s'when the sticker shock hits!

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Ezra Beard

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This is such a timely question! I've been doing clothing resale for about a year now and learned a lot through trial and error. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier is to start tracking everything from day one - even if you think your side hustle is "too small" to matter. Beyond what others have mentioned, don't forget about photography equipment! If you bought a ring light, backdrop, or even upgraded your phone specifically for better product photos, those can be business deductions too. I also deduct a portion of my Canva Pro subscription since I use it to create listing graphics. Another tip: if you're buying inventory from other resellers or estate sales, keep those receipts! The cost of goods sold is a major deduction that directly reduces your taxable income. And if you're driving around hitting multiple thrift stores or sales in one day, that's all deductible mileage. The biggest game-changer for me was treating this like a real business from the start, even when I was only making $200-300 a month. It makes tax time so much less stressful when you have organized records instead of scrambling to remember what you spent money on!

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This is such great advice! I'm just getting started with reselling (only been at it for about 2 months) and I've been pretty casual about tracking expenses. Your point about treating it like a real business from day one really resonates - I think I've been in denial about how quickly the income is adding up. I had no idea about the photography equipment deductions! I did buy a ring light last month specifically for taking better listing photos, so that's good to know. And the Canva subscription is brilliant - I've been using the free version but considering upgrading for better templates. One question - when you say "cost of goods sold" for inventory purchases, does that include items I buy but haven't sold yet? Like if I bought $500 worth of clothes this month but only sold $300 worth, can I deduct the full $500 or just the cost basis of what I actually sold? Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to hear from someone who's been doing this successfully for a while!

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@Freya Andersen Great question about cost of goods sold! You can only deduct the cost basis of items you ve'actually sold during the tax year. So in your example, if you bought $500 worth of inventory but only sold $300 worth, you d'only deduct the purchase cost of those specific items that sold not (the full $500 .)The unsold inventory becomes ending "inventory on" your Schedule C and carries over to the next tax year. It s'not a current deduction, but you ll'be able to deduct those costs when you eventually sell those items. This is why keeping detailed records of what you paid for each item is so important - you need to match up the cost with the sale. I use a simple spreadsheet where each row is one item: date purchased, cost, date sold, sale price. Items I haven t'sold yet just have blank sale columns until they move. Makes it really easy to calculate cost of goods sold at year-end by just filtering for items that actually sold. Starting your tracking systems now while you re'still small is perfect timing. Trust me, trying to reconstruct months of purchases and sales later is a nightmare!

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I just wanted to chime in with my experience as someone who went through this exact process earlier this year. I purchased a 2024 Wrangler 4xe Rubicon in February and successfully claimed the $3,750 credit on my taxes. A few things I learned that might help others: **Documentation is key** - Like others mentioned, get that manufacturer certification immediately. I also recommend taking photos of all the paperwork at the dealership because some of the forms can be hard to read if they're poorly printed. **Income verification** - I was initially worried about the income limits, but my tax preparer explained that it's your AGI from the tax year of purchase, and there's no phase-out - you either qualify fully or not at all based on the thresholds mentioned earlier. **State incentives vary widely** - I'm in Colorado and we have a $4,000 state tax credit that stacks with the federal credit. Combined with some sales tax exemptions, the total savings were substantial. Definitely worth researching what your specific state offers. **Real-world EV range** - Since someone asked about actual driving range, I'm getting about 18-22 miles of electric-only range depending on weather and driving conditions. Perfect for my daily commute and errands around town. The whole process was smoother than I expected once I had all the right documentation. The Form 8936 is straightforward if you're using tax software - TurboTax walked me through it step by step. Just make sure you have the VIN, purchase date, and that manufacturer certification ready when you file. Happy to answer any specific questions about the Colorado incentives or the filing process!

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Zainab Yusuf

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Thanks for sharing your Colorado experience! That $4,000 state credit on top of the federal $3,750 is amazing - you're looking at over $7,000 in total tax incentives. That really makes the economics compelling. I'm curious about the sales tax exemptions you mentioned in Colorado. Is that a full exemption on the purchase price, or partial? I'm trying to calculate the total cost savings for different states to help with my decision on where to potentially purchase the vehicle. Your real-world range of 18-22 miles electric-only is really helpful data. That's pretty close to the EPA estimate, which gives me more confidence in the official numbers. For someone like me with a 15-mile round-trip commute, it sounds like I could do most of my daily driving on electric power alone. One follow-up question - when you filed Form 8936, did you need any specific information beyond what's on the manufacturer certification? I want to make sure I'm collecting everything I need upfront rather than scrambling at tax time. Also, did you consider the point-of-sale transfer option, or did you go the traditional route of claiming it when filing? I'm still trying to figure out which approach makes more sense.

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StarStrider

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I've been researching the Wrangler 4xe tax credit extensively and wanted to share what I've learned from speaking with both IRS representatives and my CPA about this specific vehicle. The $3,750 credit amount mentioned throughout this thread is correct for the 2024 Wrangler 4xe. However, there are a few nuances worth highlighting: **Battery Assembly Location Matters** - The Wrangler 4xe's battery is assembled in the US, which is why it qualifies for at least the $3,750 portion of the credit. The critical minerals requirement (for the other $3,750) is where it currently falls short. **Purchase vs Delivery Date** - Make sure you understand that it's the delivery date that determines eligibility, not the order date. If you order in 2024 but take delivery in 2025, you'll be subject to whatever rules are in effect for 2025. **Final Assembly Requirement** - The Wrangler 4xe is assembled in Toledo, Ohio, so it meets the North American final assembly requirement. This is important because vehicles assembled outside of North America don't qualify at all. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that if you're planning to use this vehicle for business purposes, you might also be eligible for Section 179 deduction or bonus depreciation in addition to the tax credit, but you'd need to work with a tax professional to determine the best approach since you can't double-dip on the same vehicle cost. For anyone still deciding between new and used, remember that the used EV credit has much stricter income limits ($75K single, $150K married filing jointly) compared to the new vehicle credit, so factor that into your decision.

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Carmen Ruiz

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This is incredibly detailed and helpful information! Thank you for taking the time to speak with both IRS representatives and your CPA about the specifics. Your point about delivery date vs order date is particularly important - I hadn't considered that timing issue and it could definitely affect people ordering late in the year. The distinction about battery assembly vs critical minerals is also really clarifying. I've been seeing conflicting information about why the Wrangler 4xe only gets the partial credit, and your explanation makes it much clearer. Your mention of potential business use deductions is interesting too. I'm considering using the vehicle partly for work purposes, so that Section 179 deduction angle might be worth exploring. Do you know if there are specific percentage requirements for business use to qualify for those additional deductions? I assume you'd need to track business vs personal miles carefully. The final assembly point is reassuring since there's been so much discussion about domestic content requirements. It's good to know the Toledo assembly definitely checks that box. One follow-up question - when you spoke with the IRS representatives, did they mention anything about potential changes to the credit structure for 2025 purchases? I'm trying to decide if there's any advantage to purchasing before the end of 2024 versus waiting until early 2025.

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