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Random question but related - I'm actually doing the opposite (Traditional to Roth recharacterization). Anyone know if the same rules apply in reverse? My earnings in the Traditional were like $12.
Yes, same basic concept applies in reverse, but with one big difference - when you move from Traditional to Roth, you'll owe taxes on both the contribution amount and the earnings because you're moving from pre-tax to post-tax. The whole amount (contribution + earnings) will be treated as taxable income in the year you make the recharacterization.
Just wanted to confirm what others have said - you're absolutely right to be confused because recharacterization rules are pretty complex! But the good news is that those $8 in earnings won't create any current-year tax issues for you. When you recharacterize from Roth to Traditional, the IRS treats it as if you made the Traditional IRA contribution originally. Both your $2500 contribution and the $8 in earnings will simply become part of your Traditional IRA balance. No current-year income to report, no distribution treatment, and no automatic need for Form 8606. The only thing you'll need to figure out is whether your Traditional IRA contribution will be deductible based on your income and the fact that you mentioned having a 401k at work. If it's fully deductible, you just take the deduction on your tax return. If it's non-deductible (because you're over the income limits), then you'd file Form 8606 to track your basis - but that's about the contribution itself, not those earnings. Fidelity should handle all the paperwork correctly and send you the proper forms showing the recharacterization. The earnings piece really is the easy part of this whole process!
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm relieved to hear that the earnings portion isn't going to complicate my taxes. I was worried I'd have to track those $8 separately somehow. Since I do have a 401k and my income might put me in that phase-out range, I'll definitely need to calculate whether I can deduct the full $2500 or if I need to use Form 8606. Better to figure that out now than discover it at tax time! One follow-up question - when Fidelity processes this recharacterization, will they send me separate forms for the original Roth contribution and the new Traditional contribution, or does it all get consolidated into one set of tax documents?
Based on my experience as a fee basis official for a federal agency, I want to emphasize the importance of getting your classification sorted out ASAP. The distinction between employee and independent contractor has huge implications beyond just withholding. If you're truly a fee basis official who's an employee, you should have access to workers' compensation, unemployment benefits, and potentially other employment protections. Independent contractors don't get these benefits. One thing that helped me was looking at the actual IRS factors for worker classification: Do they control HOW you do your work or just WHAT work you do? Do you use their equipment/office space? Are you integrated into their regular operations? These factors matter more than just the payment structure. Also, don't forget about potential deductions if you are classified as an independent contractor - home office, professional development, equipment, etc. Keep detailed records of all work-related expenses from day one, regardless of your classification, because you might need them later. The quarterly estimated tax payments are crucial if you're 1099 - missing them can result in penalties even if you pay everything at year-end. Set aside money immediately from each payment you receive.
This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm a newcomer to this whole fee basis situation and had no idea about the workers' compensation and unemployment benefits implications. That's a huge difference I hadn't considered. The IRS factors you mentioned are really useful - I think my agency does control HOW I do the work since they have specific procedures I have to follow and I use their systems and office space. That sounds more like employee status to me. Quick question about the quarterly payments - if I do end up being classified as independent contractor, when exactly are those due? I just started this position last month so I want to make sure I don't miss any deadlines. And do you have any recommendations for what percentage to set aside? I've seen everything from 25-35% mentioned in different places. Thanks for sharing your federal agency experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone who's actually navigated this successfully!
Great questions! For quarterly payments, the deadlines are typically January 15, April 15, June 15, and September 15 each year. Since you just started last month, you'll want to track when your first payment period began to determine which quarter you fall into. As for percentages, I personally set aside 30% to be safe - this covers federal income tax, state tax (if applicable), and the full 15.3% self-employment tax. Better to have a little extra set aside than to come up short! The exact amount depends on your total income and tax bracket, but 30% is a good starting point for most people. Your situation with using their systems, office space, and following specific procedures definitely sounds more like employee status to me. Those are strong indicators of an employer-employee relationship under IRS guidelines. I'd really encourage you to get written clarification from your agency about your classification - it could save you a lot of headaches down the road. You might also want to document those control factors you mentioned (procedures, systems, office space) in case you need to reference them later if there's any dispute about your classification.
As someone who recently went through a similar classification challenge with my municipal position, I'd strongly recommend getting everything in writing from your HR department about your status. Don't just accept verbal explanations - ask for documentation that clearly states whether you're classified as an employee or independent contractor. One thing that really helped me was requesting to see the actual job description and any internal memos about how positions like yours are supposed to be handled. Sometimes there's a disconnect between what HR tells you verbally and what their official policies actually say. Also, keep detailed records of everything - your work schedule, supervision level, equipment provided, training requirements, etc. This documentation could be crucial if you ever need to challenge your classification with the IRS or Department of Labor. From a practical standpoint, if you're not having taxes withheld, I'd recommend opening a separate savings account immediately and transferring 25-30% of each payment into it for taxes. Even if you later find out you're misclassified as a contractor, you'll have the money set aside and won't be scrambling at tax time. The uncertainty is stressful, but getting proper documentation and keeping good records will protect you either way the classification goes.
4 Has anyone dealt with the failure-to-file penalty for Form 1065 specifically? I'm in a similar situation but with a multi-member LLC, and we're getting hit with $2,100 per partner per month for late filing! It's absolutely crushing us.
16 Yes! Form 1065 penalties are brutal - $220 per partner per month for up to 12 months (as of 2025 tax year). I was able to get them completely abated by demonstrating reasonable cause. Document any issues with previous tax preparers, health problems, or natural disasters that contributed to late filing. The key is being extremely specific about why each year was late.
I've been through this exact nightmare with my LLC! Here's what I learned that might help: First, don't panic - you have options. The IRS penalty system is harsh but there are legitimate ways to get relief. Since you're a single-member LLC filing Schedule C, you're likely dealing with failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties on your personal return. Your current accountant sounds unreliable if they've consistently filed late despite claiming to file extensions. Extensions only give you time to file, not to pay - so if you owed taxes, you'd still get hit with penalties even with valid extensions. Here's my action plan that worked: 1) Get your IRS transcripts immediately to see what was actually filed and when 2) Fire your current accountant - they're clearly not handling your situation properly 3) Look into First Time Penalty Abatement for at least one tax year 4) Document everything about your previous accountant retiring and the chaos that caused 5) Consider "reasonable cause" arguments for the other years The key is being proactive. I waited too long hoping my accountant would fix things, and it just got worse. You might be surprised how much penalty relief is available if you approach it systematically. Don't let the intimidating notices paralyze you - there's definitely a path forward here.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "reasonable cause" arguments you mentioned - what kind of documentation did you need to provide to the IRS? I have emails from my first accountant's office saying they were closing, but I'm not sure if that's enough proof. Also, how long did the whole penalty abatement process take once you submitted everything?
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your husband's getting this stipend without any tax docs, his employer might be misclassifying this payment to avoid payroll taxes. That could cause bigger problems down the road. If he's truly an employee (W-2), ALL compensation should be reported on his W-2, including stipends. The only exception would be properly documented reimbursements under an accountable plan.
That's actually a really good point I hadn't considered. The stipend comes separately from his regular paycheck, as a check with no taxes taken out. His manager just told him it was "non-taxable" for travel expenses but we've never received any official documentation about it. Should we ask his employer to clarify this in writing?
Definitely ask for clarification in writing. Request a formal policy document explaining how their travel reimbursement program works. If it's truly meant to be an accountable plan (non-taxable reimbursement), they should have policies requiring documentation of expenses, business purpose, and returning excess amounts. If they can't provide this documentation, that's a red flag that they may be improperly handling these payments. In that case, your husband should keep meticulous records of all his business travel - dates, destinations, mileage, purpose of trips - and all stipend payments received. This documentation will be crucial if there's ever an audit.
I handle payroll for a small company and we've had this exact issue. If the stipend is a true reimbursement under an accountable plan it should NOT be on his W-2. But there are strict rules - he must submit expense reports/mileage logs to his employer, have a business purpose for each expense, and return any excess money not used for business expenses. If those requirements aren't met, it's just taxable income that should be included on his W-2.
What's the deadline for having an accountable plan in place? If her husband's company hasn't been treating it as an accountable plan but they start now, does that fix the issue for this tax year or are they stuck?
Unfortunately, an accountable plan needs to be established prospectively - you can't retroactively create one to fix past tax years. The IRS requires that the accountable plan policies be in place before the reimbursements are made. For this current tax year, if the company hasn't been following accountable plan rules (requiring expense reports, business purpose documentation, etc.), then those stipend payments should be treated as taxable compensation and included on the W-2. However, the company could establish proper accountable plan procedures going forward for next year. They'd need to create written policies requiring employees to submit detailed expense reports with receipts, document the business purpose of each trip, and return any unused funds within a reasonable time period (typically 120 days). @Danielle Mays - for this year s'taxes, you ll'likely need to report the stipend as income and unfortunately won t'be able to deduct the mileage as an employee under current tax law.
Paolo Conti
I'm confused about the child tax credit situation with Form 8332. If I let my ex claim our kids using this form, does that mean they get ALL the tax benefits? Or do I still get some of them?
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Sofia Ramirez
ā¢When you release the claim using Form 8332, you're allowing your ex to claim the child as a dependent, which generally means they'll receive the following benefits: - Child Tax Credit - Credit for Other Dependents - Education credits - Dependent care credit However, even if you've released these claims, the custodial parent (presumably you) can still claim: - Head of Household filing status (if you qualify) - Earned Income Credit - Child and Dependent Care Credit The IRS specifically ties some benefits to which parent the child lives with for the majority of the year, regardless of who claims them as a dependent.
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Jacob Lewis
Just want to add one more tip that saved me a lot of trouble - make sure you keep detailed records of when you give the completed Form 8332 to your ex. I take a photo of the signed form and send it via email so there's a timestamp, then also give them the original. Last year my ex lost the form right before filing and we had to scramble to get another one signed. Having that digital backup with the date stamp helped prove I had provided it on time. Also helped when the IRS had questions later - I could show exactly when the form was completed and delivered. The whole process is stressful enough without having to worry about lost paperwork!
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