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Anna Stewart

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I went through exactly this transition last year! Left my SEP open with the existing money and started a 401k when I brought on employees. One thing to watch for - make sure you properly document the termination of new contributions to the SEP (even though there's no formal closure). I kept a corporate minute in my company records noting the board decision to freeze the SEP and establish the new 401k. My accountant said this creates a clear paper trail if there's ever a question about why we stopped SEP contributions for the business.

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Layla Sanders

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Smart tip about the corporate minutes! Did you also need to notify the financial institution where your SEP was held that you were discontinuing contributions? Or did you just stop sending money?

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I didn't formally notify the financial institution - I just stopped making contributions. The SEP IRA custodian doesn't need to be told you're discontinuing contributions since there's no ongoing obligation to fund it anyway. They'll still send you statements and the account remains active for investment purposes. The corporate minutes were really just for our own documentation to show we made a deliberate business decision rather than accidentally forgetting to contribute. My CPA said it's good practice for audit defense, especially since we switched to offering a different retirement benefit to employees.

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Great question! I actually went through a similar transition when my consulting business grew. You're on the right track - you can absolutely leave your existing SEP IRA open with the current funds and simply stop making new contributions when you switch to the 401(k) plan. Since you'll have employees in 2025, continuing SEP contributions would require you to contribute the same percentage for all eligible employees, which gets expensive fast. The 401(k) route gives you much more flexibility with different contribution levels and employee matching options. One practical tip: when you set up the new 401(k), check if the plan allows incoming rollovers from IRAs. If so, you might want to roll your SEP funds into the 401(k) to consolidate everything in one place. This can also help if you ever want to do backdoor Roth conversions later, since having money in traditional IRAs complicates that strategy due to the pro-rata rule. The transition timing is perfect since you're doing it at the start of a new tax year. Just make sure your 401(k) plan document is properly drafted to handle the contribution types you want (employee deferrals, employer matching, profit sharing, etc.).

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Paolo Longo

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This is really helpful, especially the point about checking if the new 401(k) allows incoming rollovers! I hadn't thought about the backdoor Roth implications either. Quick question - when you mention getting the 401(k) plan document "properly drafted," are there specific provisions I should ask for beyond the basic employee deferrals and matching? I want to make sure I don't limit my options down the road if the business continues to grow.

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Zara Perez

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I'm going through something similar right now! My return has been in the Error Department for about 6 weeks. What I've learned from calling multiple times is that it's often just a verification process, especially if you claimed any credits like EITC or Child Tax Credit. One thing that helped me was requesting my tax transcript online through the IRS website. It shows specific codes that can give you a better idea of why your return is being reviewed. Look for codes like 971 or 570 - those indicate it's in review status. The timeline really varies, but from what I've seen in this community and others, it's typically 6-12 weeks for most people. I know that doesn't help with your immediate car repair situation, but at least you'll know what to expect. The IRS is required to pay interest if they hold your refund longer than 45 days from the filing deadline, so there's that small consolation. Keep documenting your calls and any reference numbers they give you - it helps when you call back and get a different agent.

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Mei-Ling Chen

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This is such valuable information, thank you for sharing your experience! I had no idea about the tax transcript showing specific codes - that sounds like it would give much better insight than just the generic "still processing" message. I'm definitely going to look up my transcript tonight and check for those 971 or 570 codes you mentioned. Six weeks must feel like forever when you're waiting! It's somewhat comforting to know that 6-12 weeks seems to be the typical range, even though it's frustrating. And I didn't know about the interest requirement after 45 days - that's at least something, though obviously I'd rather just have the refund now. Your advice about documenting calls and reference numbers is really smart. I've only called once so far but I can see how that would be helpful if I need to call again. Thanks for taking the time to share what you've learned through this process!

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Omar Fawaz

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I went through this exact same situation last year and I completely understand your frustration! My return was sent to the Error Department and it turned out to be because of a small discrepancy with my Social Security benefits that were reported differently than what I had on my records. The waiting period was definitely stressful - mine took about 8 weeks to resolve. What I found helpful was calling the IRS every 3-4 weeks (not more frequently as they won't have updates) and asking specifically if there were any actions needed on my part. Most of the time the answer was no, but it gave me peace of mind. Since you mentioned needing the money for car repairs, I'd suggest calling around to local mechanics to see if any offer payment plans or financing options. Some auto repair chains like Firestone or Valvoline Instant Oil Change have credit programs that might bridge you over until your refund comes through. Also, don't panic if you receive a CP05 notice in the mail - that's just their standard letter confirming your return is under review. It doesn't mean you did anything wrong, just that they need extra time to process it. Hang in there - the vast majority of these situations resolve themselves without any action needed from you!

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Ava Harris

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I'm new to this community and currently dealing with my first offset situation too. My 2023 refund was supposed to be $4,650 but they're taking $1,850 for some unpaid self-employment taxes that apparently got flagged in the Treasury Offset Program. I just noticed the 898 code appeared on my transcript yesterday afternoon and have been anxiously checking for updates every few hours since then. This entire thread has been absolutely incredible - reading through James's detailed 7-10 day timeline, Jabari-Jo's similar business tax experience, and everyone else's consistent experiences has given me so much hope that my remaining $2,800 should come through soon. I was initially convinced that an offset would mean waiting months for any part of my refund, but seeing how smoothly the process seems to work for most people here is such a relief. The self-employment tax issue caught me completely off guard since I thought I had calculated everything correctly, but at this point I just want to see that 846 code with an actual deposit date. Thank you all for creating such a supportive and informative discussion - it's helping so many of us first-timers navigate this stressful process with much less anxiety!

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Romeo Barrett

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Hi Ava! Welcome to the community - I'm also new here and going through my first offset situation. Your self-employment tax issue sounds really similar to what many of us are experiencing with unexpected business tax debts. It's so frustrating when you think you've calculated everything correctly only to find out there was something missed! Reading through this thread has been such a lifesaver for understanding what to expect. The consistent 7-14 day timeline that James, Jabari-Jo, and others have shared really does seem to be the norm regardless of the specific type of tax debt. I'm also checking my transcript obsessively for updates, so you're definitely not alone in that anxiety! It's amazing how this community has helped turn what felt like a catastrophic situation into something much more manageable. That 846 code with the actual deposit date seems to be the holy grail we're all waiting for. Your remaining $2,800 should hopefully show up soon based on everyone's experiences here. Please keep us posted on your progress - these updates really help future newcomers understand the process!

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I'm new to this community and currently experiencing my first offset situation. My 2023 refund was supposed to be $7,200 but they're offsetting $2,900 for some unpaid payroll taxes from my LLC that I thought my previous accountant had handled. I just saw the 898 code appear on my transcript two days ago and have been frantically checking for updates ever since. Finding this thread has been an absolute godsend! Reading through James's detailed 7-10 day experience, Jabari-Jo's similar business tax situation, and all the consistent timelines everyone has shared gives me so much hope that my remaining $4,300 should process within the next week or so. I was initially terrified that the offset would freeze my entire refund for months, but seeing how the process actually works from all your real experiences is incredibly reassuring. The payroll tax issue is particularly frustrating since I trusted my accountant to handle everything properly, but lesson learned about double-checking these things myself. I'll be watching obsessively for that 846 code everyone mentions with the actual deposit date. Thank you all for sharing such detailed and honest experiences - this community is helping so many of us first-timers navigate what initially feels like a disaster but seems to be a fairly manageable process once you understand the timeline!

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KaiEsmeralda

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This is exactly the kind of confusion I had when I first started renting out part of my home! The key insight that helped me was understanding that you're essentially running two separate "businesses" - your personal residence and your rental property - that happen to share the same physical structure. Here's what I learned: When you allocate 50% of your mortgage interest to Schedule E (rental), that portion is completely separate from personal itemized deductions and isn't subject to the $750k mortgage interest limitation at all. It's a business expense, just like if you owned a separate rental property. The remaining 50% that you're claiming on Schedule A is treated as personal mortgage interest, and that's where the $750k limit applies. But here's the crucial part - the limit applies to the dollar amount of the mortgage principal allocated to personal use, not your total mortgage. So if your total mortgage is $1.4 million but you're only using 50% for personal residence ($700k), you're still under the $750k cap for personal use. That's why the tax software is letting you deduct the full $21,000 remaining after your rental allocation. Your approach sounds correct, but definitely make sure you have solid documentation for your 50% allocation method. Square footage measurements are your best friend if you ever get audited!

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This is really helpful! I'm new to the rental property game and was wondering about something similar. You mentioned that the 50% allocated to Schedule E isn't subject to the $750k limit because it's treated as a business expense - does this mean there's essentially no limit on how much mortgage interest you can deduct for the rental portion? Like if someone had a $5 million mortgage and rented out 30% of their home, could they deduct interest on that full $1.5 million rental portion? Also, I'm curious about the documentation you mentioned - besides square footage measurements, what other records should someone keep to justify their allocation percentage?

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Great questions! Yes, you're absolutely right about the rental portion - there's essentially no mortgage interest limit for the business/rental portion of your property. In your $5 million mortgage example with 30% rental use, you could indeed deduct interest on the full $1.5 million allocated to rental on Schedule E. The $750k limit only applies to the personal residence portion. For documentation beyond square footage, I'd recommend keeping: - Floor plans or sketches showing the rental areas vs. personal areas - Photos of the rental space and common areas the tenant uses - Your rental agreement showing which specific areas are included - Records of any improvements or modifications made specifically for rental use - A written explanation of your allocation method (especially important if you're including shared spaces like kitchens or living rooms) The IRS wants to see that your allocation is reasonable and consistently applied across all expenses. If you allocate 30% of mortgage interest to rental, you should also allocate 30% of property taxes, insurance, utilities, maintenance, etc. Consistency is key! One tip: take detailed photos and measurements when you first start renting and save them with your tax records. It's much easier to defend your allocation if you have documentation from when you actually set up the rental arrangement.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Just wanted to add another perspective on the documentation side - I've been through an IRS audit for my rental property allocation and here's what really helped me: Keep a simple spreadsheet showing your allocation calculation. I documented the total square footage of my home (2,400 sq ft), the rental bedroom (180 sq ft), plus the proportional share of common areas my tenant uses. For common areas, I calculated that my tenant has access to about 60% of the kitchen, 40% of the living room, and 50% of one bathroom, which added up to about 320 sq ft of shared space. Total rental allocation: 180 + 320 = 500 sq ft out of 2,400 sq ft = 20.8% (I rounded to 21% for simplicity). The auditor appreciated that I had photos from when I first set up the rental, showing exactly which areas the tenant could access. I also kept receipts for any expenses that were 100% rental (like a separate mailbox for the tenant) versus the ones I allocated based on my percentage. One thing that caught me off guard - the auditor asked about utility usage patterns. I didn't have separate meters, but I was able to show that I allocated utilities the same way as everything else (21%), and explained that the tenant's bedroom had its own thermostat zone, which supported my allocation method. The key is being able to tell a consistent, logical story about how you determined your percentages. As long as your method is reasonable and you apply it consistently across all expenses, you should be fine!

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NebulaNova

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This is incredibly detailed and helpful - thank you for sharing your audit experience! Your spreadsheet approach is brilliant, especially breaking down the common area usage percentages. I never thought about documenting things like thermostat zones or separate mailboxes, but those really do help tell the story of how the space is actually used. Quick question about the common areas calculation - when you said your tenant uses "60% of the kitchen," how did you determine that percentage? Was it based on time usage, or physical space they have access to (like specific cabinets/fridge space)? I'm trying to figure out the most defensible way to calculate shared spaces since my tenant basically has full access to the kitchen and living room, but obviously I use them too. Also, did the auditor question your rounding from 20.8% to 21%? I've been wondering if small adjustments like that could raise red flags, or if they're generally acceptable as long as you document your reasoning.

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Based on your situation, here are a few key points that might help with your Form 4684: Since you mentioned you've never filed a tax return before, you'll want to be extra careful with documentation. The IRS tends to scrutinize first-time filers more closely, especially for significant deductions like casualty losses. For the fair market value calculation, your $27k repair cost is actually a solid starting point. The IRS Publication 547 specifically mentions that repair costs can be used as evidence of decreased fair market value, as long as the repairs only restore the property to its pre-damage condition (which sounds like your case with the roof). One important thing others haven't mentioned - make sure you get a copy of the official FEMA disaster declaration for your area. You'll need the disaster declaration number for your Form 4684, and having this documentation helps establish that your loss qualifies for the special disaster provisions. Also, since your income is $110k, definitely run the numbers on claiming this loss on your 2023 return (amended) versus your 2024 return. If your 2023 income was lower, the 10% AGI threshold would be smaller, potentially giving you a larger deduction. Don't forget to keep detailed records of everything - the IRS has up to 3 years to audit casualty loss claims, and disaster-related deductions sometimes get extra scrutiny.

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Ethan Moore

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This is really comprehensive advice! The point about getting the FEMA disaster declaration number is something I hadn't thought about - where exactly do you find that? Is it on the FEMA website or do I need to contact them directly? Also, you mentioned that first-time filers get more scrutiny for casualty losses. Should I consider getting professional help with this return given the complexity and the fact that I've never filed before? I'm worried about making a mistake that could trigger an audit, especially with such a large deduction compared to my income. One more question - when you say the IRS has 3 years to audit casualty loss claims, does that timeline start from when I file the return or from the tax year the loss occurred?

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You can find the FEMA disaster declaration number on the FEMA website at disasterassistance.gov - just search by your state and the date range when the hurricane occurred. The declaration will show the specific counties covered and the disaster number (usually starts with "DR-" followed by numbers). You can also call FEMA at 1-800-621-3362 if you have trouble locating it online. Given the complexity and your first-time filer status, I'd definitely recommend getting professional help, especially with a $27k deduction. A good tax professional will know exactly how to document everything properly and can help you decide whether to claim it on 2023 (amended) or 2024 based on your income comparison. The 3-year audit timeline starts from when you actually file the return (or the due date if you file early). So if you claim it on your 2024 return filed in 2025, they'd have until 2028 to audit. If you amend your 2023 return, it would be 3 years from when you file that amendment. One more tip - definitely keep digital copies of all your documentation backed up in multiple places. I've seen people lose critical paperwork and then struggle with audit responses years later.

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Just wanted to add a few practical tips from my own experience dealing with hurricane damage and Form 4684: Make sure to document the timeline carefully - note the exact date of the hurricane and when you discovered/assessed the damage. The IRS wants to see that the loss occurred in a specific tax year for timing purposes. Since you mentioned not having insurance, you'll want to be prepared to explain why on Form 4684 if asked. Sometimes the IRS questions why someone didn't have coverage, especially for significant losses. Just be honest about your situation. For the $27k in repair costs, try to break down the invoices by category if possible (materials, labor, permits, etc.). This level of detail can be helpful if you face any questions later. Also, if any of the work required permits from your local building department, keep copies of those as well - they help establish that the repairs were necessary and legitimate. One thing that helped me was creating a simple timeline document with photos, receipts, and key dates all organized chronologically. It made filling out Form 4684 much easier and gave me confidence that I had everything properly documented. Since this is your first time filing, definitely consider using tax software that specifically handles casualty losses or working with a tax professional. The rules are complex enough that it's worth getting it right the first time.

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