1099-R Box 5 Insurance Premium not reducing Gross Distribution - error or normal?

Tax preparer here. This is actually a common source of confusion with pension annuities. The insurance premium in Box 5 doesn't automatically reduce the taxable amount in Box 2a - it depends on the specific type of annuity and how it's structured. If this is a qualified plan distribution, the Box 5 amount typically represents after-tax contributions or premiums paid with after-tax dollars. These amounts are already accounted for in the calculation of Box 2a. The plan administrator should have calculated Box 2a correctly based on their records of pre-tax vs. after-tax contributions. For most pension annuities, Box 2a = Box 1 - (non-taxable portions, which can include amounts in Box 5 but not always). The calculation depends on the specific tax treatment of the annuity and whether premiums were paid with pre-tax or after-tax dollars.

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Don't forget to check if your pension plan is sending you a separate annual statement that explains how they calculated the taxable amount. My Fidelity pension does this, and it has a detailed breakdown showing: - Total distribution - Portion representing return of previously taxed contributions - Portion representing taxable income - Insurance premium details The statement might clarify why the Box 5 amount isn't being subtracted from Box 1 in the way you're expecting. In my case, the insurance premium was actually being paid from the gross distribution AFTER taxation, which is why it didn't reduce my taxable amount.

Has anyone dealt with 1099-R forms from multiple years where the Box 5 amounts suddenly changed? My mom's pension had $0 in Box 5 for years then suddenly showed $8,200 this year with no explanation, but the taxable amount barely changed.

I work in retirement plan administration and see this confusion constantly! The key thing to understand is that Box 5 insurance premiums don't always reduce Box 2a because of how qualified plans handle different types of contributions and costs. In your sister's case, that $15,675.50 in Box 5 likely represents premiums for life insurance coverage that was purchased as part of her pension plan. If these premiums were paid with pre-tax dollars from the plan (which is common), then they're already included in the taxable calculation - they don't get subtracted. The small difference between Box 1 ($52,410) and Box 2a ($51,728.80) is probably from a completely different source - maybe after-tax contributions she made to the plan years ago that are now being returned tax-free. I'd strongly recommend having her contact Nationwide directly to request a detailed breakdown of how they calculated Box 2a. They should be able to explain exactly what portion of the distribution represents taxable income vs. return of basis vs. insurance costs. Don't guess on this - pension taxation can be really complex and getting it wrong could trigger an audit or penalties.