EDD eligibility after termination "with cause" that might be wrongful - can I still get UI benefits?
I was terminated last week from my job of 3 years at a warehouse distribution center. My termination paperwork says I was fired "with cause" for "insubordination" but here's what actually happened: I witnessed my supervisor verbally harassing a co-worker (calling her names, mocking her accent) and I stepped in to defend her. The next day they called me in and said I was creating a "hostile work environment" and terminated me on the spot. I've never had any write-ups or disciplinary actions before this. I really need to file for unemployment while I look for a new job, but my former manager threatened that I "won't qualify because it's a for-cause termination." Is this true? Can EDD deny my claim just because my employer labeled it "with cause" even though I believe it was retaliatory? Should I still apply? I'm really stressed about making rent next month without some income support.
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Liam Cortez
YES - apply immediately! "With cause" doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment. EDD makes their own determination about misconduct, they don't just take the employer's word for it. What matters is if your actions constituted "misconduct" under UI law, which has a specific legal definition. Standing up for a coworker being harassed is NOT misconduct. When you file, clearly explain what happened in the facts section. Be honest but concise. Your employer will likely contest it, and you'll probably need to do a phone interview with EDD to explain your side. Document everything - save any emails/texts about the incident, write down dates/times/witnesses while it's fresh in your memory. This will help during the eligibility interview.
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Kiara Fisherman
•Thank you so much for this! I was afraid I'd be automatically disqualified. I'll apply today and make sure to document everything like you suggested. I'm still nervous about the interview part though - do they usually side with the employer in these cases?
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Savannah Vin
The previous advice is correct. Apply right away. Under California unemployment law, the burden of proof is on the employer to prove misconduct. The legal standard for misconduct is pretty specific - it needs to show a willful disregard for the employer's interests. Standing up for someone being harassed wouldn't typically meet this standard. Your employer may contest it (most do), but EDD will schedule an eligibility interview where both sides share their version. Be factual, not emotional, during this interview. Emphasize that you were standing up against harassment, which is protected activity. Make sure to certify for benefits while your case is being decided, even if you're initially denied. If you win on appeal, you'll get backpay for those weeks.
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Mason Stone
•my friend got fired for arguing with his boss and still got unemployment so yea def apply, whats the worst that can happen? they just say no lol
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Makayla Shoemaker
FILE RIGHT NOW!!!!! These companies always try to scare people by saying "with cause" so you won't even try to get benefits. Its total BS!!!! The EDD doesnt care what the company puts on paper, they investigate themselves. I had a similar situation where i got termed "with cause" for "attendance issues" even tho all my absenses were approved medical. My boss tried to block my claim but EDD approved me anyway after my phone interview!!! Don't let them bully you out of whats rightfully yours!!!!!
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Kiara Fisherman
•That's encouraging to hear about your experience. I'm definitely going to apply today. Did you have to wait a long time for your interview with EDD? I'm worried about how long I might have to go without income.
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Christian Bierman
I went through something similar last year. Officially fired "with cause" but it was completely unfair. Here's what I learned: 1. Apply immediately - don't wait 2. When you file, be SUPER careful about how you describe what happened. Stick to facts, avoid emotional language. 3. Expect your claim to initially show "pending" for weeks 4. You'll get a notice about an eligibility phone interview 5. The interviews are currently scheduled 3-4 weeks out due to backlog The most frustrating part was trying to get through to EDD when my interview date came and went without anyone calling me. I spent days redialing only to get the "too many callers" message. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an EDD rep in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10?si=TSwYbu_GOwYzt9km. The rep was able to reschedule my interview and I got approved after that.
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Emma Olsen
•did u have to appeal after being denied? or did u get approved right away? im in a similar situation and trying to figure out if i should just expect to appeal
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Christian Bierman
I actually got approved after the phone interview. The key was being prepared with specific examples showing I wasn't fired for true misconduct. But about 30% of people I know had to appeal their initial determination.
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Lucas Lindsey
You should DEF apply asap but also maybe consider talking to a employment lawyer?? If you were fired for standing up against harassment that could be wrongful termination and you could get your job back plus damages. Just a thought! My cousin went through something similar (different details but same idea of being fired for the wrong reason) and she got a settlement from her company.
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Kiara Fisherman
•I hadn't even thought about the wrongful termination angle. That's a good point. I'll look into some free legal consultations while I wait for my unemployment to process. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Sophie Duck
Be very careful about how you word things in your application. If you say you were "insubordinate" at all, even when explaining your side, it can be used against you. EDD has specific terminology they look for when processing claims. For example, don't say "I argued with my supervisor" - instead say "I respectfully addressed concerns about workplace harassment I witnessed." Also, make sure to meet all work search requirements while your claim is pending. Document at least 3 job contacts per week with company names and contact info. EDD can audit this later.
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Liam Cortez
•This is excellent advice about terminology. The specific words you use in your claim can make a huge difference in how EDD views your case.
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Mason Stone
I worked at edd for a bit as a contractor so ill tell u this: they have TONS of claims and the people reviewing them are overworked. If ur employer doesnt actually contest ur claim theres a good chance ull just get approved automatically even with the "with cause" thing. Its when they actually fight it that u need to worry. Either way just apply cuz u have nothing to lose!!
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Kiara Fisherman
•That's interesting insider perspective! My manager seemed pretty angry so I'm guessing they'll probably contest it, but at least now I know what to expect. I'm definitely applying today.
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Savannah Vin
One more important thing: if you are initially denied benefits, you have only 30 days to appeal! The appeal process is actually quite straightforward - you fill out a form explaining why you disagree with the determination. Then you'll get an appeal hearing date (currently about 2-3 months out because of backlog). Many people win at the appeal stage, especially in cases like yours where the "misconduct" is questionable. The appeal judges (Administrative Law Judges) tend to be more thorough in reviewing all evidence than the initial claims processors.
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Makayla Shoemaker
•TRUTH!!! The appeal judges are WAY more fair than the initial people. I won my appeal even though I was denied at first. The whole system is designed to deny people hoping they wont appeal!!
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