EDD appeal rejected after husband marked wrong termination reason - need advice for 2nd level appeal
My husband got denied for unemployment because he checked the wrong box for his separation reason on the initial application. He was actually laid off due to workforce reduction, but in his confusion with the online form he selected 'voluntarily quit' (which wasn't true at all). When he realized the mistake, he immediately filed an appeal explaining it was an honest error and provided his termination letter showing the layoff. Yesterday we got the appeal decision - DENIED. The judge said his explanation wasn't 'credible' despite us sending in the actual termination paperwork from his employer! We're now going on 14 weeks with ZERO income. We've got 2 kids, rent is $2,800/month, and our savings are completely depleted. He's been job searching every day but nothing has come through yet. We need to file a second-level appeal to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, but I'm terrified we'll be denied again. Has anyone successfully won at this second appeal level after losing the first one? What evidence or arguments worked? Should we hire an attorney? We're desperate for any advice or success stories at this point.
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Margot Quinn
I won my second-level appeal last year after being in a similar situation. The key for me was getting a written statement from my former employer confirming the true reason for separation. Do you have anything like that? Also, make sure to explicitly reference the termination letter in your appeal statement and highlight the specific language showing it was a layoff. For the second appeal, be VERY specific about why the first judge's decision was incorrect. Quote the exact parts of their decision that contradict your evidence. Don't just say "we disagree" - point out specifically why their reasoning was flawed based on the evidence. Also, if your husband's former HR department is willing to complete an EDD DE 1545 form confirming the layoff, that carries a lot of weight with the Board.
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Raúl Mora
•Thank you SO much for this advice! Yes, we do have the termination letter stating clearly it was a reduction in force. We included it with the first appeal but maybe we didn't highlight it properly or connect the dots for the judge. I'll definitely have him reach out to HR about completing that DE 1545 form - I didn't even know that existed! Did you represent yourself or hire an attorney for the second appeal?
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Evelyn Kim
dont give up!! my cousin went through TWO appeals and finally got approved. the system is designed to make u quit trying. KEEP PUSHING
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Raúl Mora
•Thank you for the encouragement - it helps to know others have succeeded after multiple attempts. Did your cousin do anything specific that finally made the difference on that second appeal?
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Diego Fisher
I was an EDD claims specialist for 6 years before retiring. For second-level appeals, it's critical to understand that the CUIAB (California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board) is specifically looking for legal errors or misinterpretation of facts from the first hearing. Here's what you need to do: 1. Request a copy of the appeal hearing recording and the complete case file. You have the right to this under California law. 2. In your second appeal, focus on any procedural errors that occurred during the first hearing (if any). 3. If your husband's employer didn't participate in the first hearing, make that clear. If they did participate but didn't contest his version of events, emphasize that. 4. Include a sworn declaration from your husband detailing exactly why he checked the wrong box - was it confusing terminology? A misclick? Be specific. 5. Submit any new evidence you've gathered since the first hearing. The second-level appeal takes longer but is often more thorough. The Board reviews everything independently.
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Raúl Mora
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! His employer actually didn't show up to the hearing at all, which made it even more frustrating that the judge didn't believe us despite having the termination letter. I'll definitely request the recording and case file today. The mistake happened because the online form was confusing - several options seemed like they could apply to his situation, and he selected what he thought matched rather than what technically did. We'll make sure to clearly explain this misunderstanding in a sworn declaration.
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Henrietta Beasley
OMG I went through EXACTLY this last winter!!! My boyfriend marked "fired for misconduct" when he was actually laid off (english is his 2nd language). We lost the first appeal even with the layoff documentation, but WON the second appeal!!! What worked for us was: 1) We got a DETAILED letter from his supervisor explaining the layoff and specifically stating there was NO misconduct 2) We wrote a point-by-point response to the first judge's decision 3) We explained that the UI application language was confusing for someone with limited English proficiency Hang in there!!! The second appeal took about 5 weeks for us but they approved it AND gave all backpay!!!!
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Raúl Mora
•This gives me so much hope! The first judge basically suggested my husband was lying to get benefits, which is absolutely not true - he just checked the wrong box! We're definitely going to get a more detailed letter from his manager. Did you represent yourselves or get legal help for the second appeal?
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Lincoln Ramiro
i think u should just find another job. EDD is a joke and they never actually help people who need it. my brother waited 9 months for his appeal and still got denied after providing everything they asked for. what a waste of time.
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Faith Kingston
•That's not helpful. Of course her husband is looking for work, but that doesn't mean they should give up on benefits he's legally entitled to. Appeals CAN and DO work when done correctly. I've seen many people succeed with second-level appeals specifically.
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Faith Kingston
I highly recommend using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to connect with an EDD representative directly about your situation. After my first appeal was denied, I was able to talk to an actual EDD specialist who guided me through exactly what needed to be in my second appeal. They got me connected to an EDD rep within about 20 minutes when I had been trying for weeks on my own. The rep explained that second appeals have different judges who often overturn first appeal decisions. They also helped me understand exactly which forms I needed to submit as evidence. They have a video demo showing how it works: https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10?si=TSwYbu_GOwYzt9km Talking to a knowledgeable representative before filing my second appeal made all the difference.
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Raúl Mora
•Thank you! I had no idea this service existed. We've been calling EDD daily for weeks with no luck getting through. I'll definitely check this out - getting specific guidance from an actual EDD rep would be incredibly helpful right now. Did you find they gave you different advice than what was in the appeal paperwork?
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Emma Johnson
hav u tried contacting ur state assembly person? my sister was in a similar situation and our assembly rep got it fixed in like 10 days. they have ppl who specificaly handle edd cases.
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Raúl Mora
•We haven't tried this yet! That's a great idea. I'll look up our assembly representative today. Was there a specific process your sister had to follow to get their help?
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Margot Quinn
One more important thing - if the judge in your first appeal focused a lot on credibility, you might want to request an in-person hearing for your second appeal instead of a phone hearing. It's easier to establish credibility when they can see you. For documentation, also consider getting statements from coworkers who were laid off at the same time if possible, to establish a pattern of layoffs at the company.
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Raúl Mora
•That's an excellent suggestion about requesting an in-person hearing. The first hearing was over the phone, and maybe that made it harder for the judge to connect with us. And yes, three other people from his department were laid off the same day - we'll definitely get statements from them. Thank you so much!
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Evelyn Kim
what about legal aid? i think they help with edd stuff for free if ur low income
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Raúl Mora
•I hadn't considered that. We definitely qualify as low income at this point. I'll search for legal aid services in our area today. Thanks for the suggestion!
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Henrietta Beasley
Make sure to file your second appeal WITHIN 30 DAYS of receiving the first appeal decision! This deadline is super strict and they won't make exceptions. Send it certified mail so you have proof of when you submitted it.
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Raúl Mora
•Yes! We got the decision letter 3 days ago, so we have 27 days left. Planning to submit the second appeal by the end of this week after collecting all the additional documentation everyone has suggested. Great tip about using certified mail!
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