UCC filing complications with security interest subordination agreement - debtor name issues
Having major headaches with a UCC-1 filing that involves a security interest subordination agreement. The primary lender filed their UCC-1 back in 2022, but now we're the subordinated lender and need to file our own UCC-1. Problem is the debtor's legal name has changed since the original filing - they did a DBA conversion to LLC status last year. The subordination agreement references the old business name but our new UCC-1 needs to match current Secretary of State records. Anyone dealt with this mess before? Do I need to file against both the old name (to match the subordination agreement) and new name (to perfect against current entity)? The collateral is the same equipment but I'm worried about gaps in perfection during the name transition period. This is a $480K equipment loan so can't afford any mistakes with the security interest subordination agreement requirements.
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Keisha Williams
I've seen this exact situation before. You're right to be worried about perfection gaps. The subordination agreement creates a specific lien priority, but your UCC-1 still needs to perfect against the current legal entity. Here's what I'd recommend: 1) File the UCC-1 against the current LLC name as shown in state records, 2) Include a cross-reference in the collateral description mentioning the subordination agreement and original debtor name, 3) Make sure your loan docs specifically reference both the name change and the subordination arrangement.
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Paolo Conti
•This is solid advice. The key thing with security interest subordination agreements is that they don't change WHO you need to perfect against - just the priority order. Your UCC-1 has to match current state records regardless of what the subordination agreement says.
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Amina Diallo
•Wait, wouldn't you also need to check if the original lender filed a UCC-3 amendment when the debtor name changed? If they didn't update their filing, there might be a gap in THEIR perfection too, which could affect the whole subordination structure.
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Oliver Schulz
Actually had a similar nightmare last month. Equipment financing with subordination agreement, debtor went from Corp to LLC. What saved me was using Certana.ai's document verification tool - I uploaded the subordination agreement, the old UCC-1, and my draft new UCC-1. It caught a debtor name inconsistency I missed and showed exactly how the documents aligned. Super helpful for these complex subordination situations where you need everything to match perfectly.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
•How does that work exactly? I'm dealing with something similar and manual document comparison is driving me crazy.
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Oliver Schulz
•You just upload the PDFs and it cross-checks everything - debtor names, filing numbers, collateral descriptions. For subordination agreements it's perfect because it shows you exactly where the documents don't align. Much better than trying to compare everything manually.
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AstroAdventurer
•That sounds almost too good to be true but I'm desperate enough to try anything at this point. These subordination deals are so complicated.
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Javier Mendoza
Here's the thing everyone's missing - the subordination agreement doesn't just affect YOUR filing. If the senior lender didn't file a UCC-3 amendment when the debtor changed names, their security interest might not be properly perfected against the new entity. This could actually VOID the subordination arrangement entirely because there's no valid senior lien to subordinate to! You need to check the senior lender's UCC status first.
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Emma Wilson
•Oh wow, I never thought about that angle. So the subordination agreement could be worthless if the senior lender screwed up their name change filing?
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Javier Mendoza
•Exactly. Security interest subordination agreements only work when both parties have valid, perfected liens. If the senior lender lost perfection due to the name change, you might actually be the primary secured party by default.
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Malik Davis
•This is getting complicated. Wouldn't the senior lender's attorney have caught this? They had to know about the name change for the subordination agreement.
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Isabella Santos
I'm confused about something - if the debtor changed from DBA to LLC, isn't that a completely different legal entity? How can you have a subordination agreement between liens on different entities? Wouldn't you need a whole new subordination agreement with the LLC?
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Ravi Gupta
•Not necessarily. If it was a conversion (not a dissolution and new formation), the LLC might be considered the successor entity. But you're right that the subordination agreement language matters a lot here.
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GalacticGuru
•This is why I hate these complex deals. Too many variables and every attorney has a different opinion about entity succession.
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Freya Pedersen
IMHO the Secretary of State filing system makes this way harder than it should be. Why can't they just have a simple name change process that automatically updates all UCC filings? Instead we get this mess where every lender has to figure out the subordination implications separately.
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Omar Fawaz
•Because that would make too much sense! The current system is designed to generate legal fees, not efficiency.
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Chloe Anderson
•At least most states have electronic filing now. Remember when you had to mail paper UCC-1 forms? That was even worse for subordination agreements.
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Diego Vargas
For what it's worth, I just went through this exact scenario. Filed UCC-1 against the new LLC name, included reference to subordination agreement in collateral description, and made sure loan agreement specifically addressed the name change. No issues so far. The key is making sure your security interest subordination agreement language covers entity succession scenarios.
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Anastasia Fedorov
•Did you get title insurance or any other protection for the gap period? I'm always worried about that transition window.
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Diego Vargas
•Didn't need title insurance for equipment, but I did get an updated lien search showing both the old and new entity names. Gave me peace of mind about the priority position.
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StarStrider
Quick question - what's the dollar threshold where you start worrying about this level of detail? I mean, for a $480K loan it's obviously worth the effort, but would you go through all this for a $50K equipment loan?
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Sean Doyle
•Good point. For smaller loans the legal fees might not be worth it. But subordination agreements are usually only used on larger deals anyway.
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Zara Rashid
•I think it depends more on the complexity than the dollar amount. A simple subordination agreement with no name changes? Maybe not worth overthinking. But entity succession issues? That's always worth getting right.
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Luca Romano
One more thing to consider - check if your subordination agreement has a clause about successor entities. Some agreements automatically apply to successor entities, others don't. If it doesn't, you might need to get a new subordination agreement from the senior lender before your UCC-1 filing will be effective.
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Nia Jackson
•This is exactly why I started using Certana.ai for these deals. Upload all the documents and it shows you exactly what language is in each agreement. Much easier than trying to compare everything manually.
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Mateo Hernandez
•How long does something like that take? I'm always under time pressure with these filings.
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Nia Jackson
•It's instant. Upload the PDFs and get the comparison report right away. Super helpful for subordination agreements where you need to check multiple documents against each other.
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CosmicCruiser
Update: contacted the senior lender and they confirmed they filed a UCC-3 amendment for the name change. So the subordination agreement should still be valid. Going to file our UCC-1 against the current LLC name and include a reference to the subordination agreement. Thanks everyone for the advice!
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Aisha Khan
•Great outcome! Always good to hear when these complicated deals work out.
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Ethan Taylor
•Smart move checking with the senior lender first. That could have been a disaster if they hadn't filed the amendment.
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Yuki Ito
•Glad it worked out. These security interest subordination agreement deals can be tricky but when everyone does their part it usually works fine.
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