UCC 2012079290 Filing Search Results Completely Empty - Need Help

I tried several variations including "Precision Manufacturing Solutions, LLC" with the comma, "Precision Mfg Solutions LLC" and even just "Precision Manufacturing" but still nothing. The filing number format does look familiar but I can't place which state uses that exact pattern.

That numbering pattern looks like it could be from states that use sequential numbering. Have you checked if the LLC was doing business under a different name when the filing was made? Sometimes the debtor name on the UCC doesn't match the current legal name.

That sounds helpful - does it search across multiple state databases automatically? I've been doing this manually and it's taking forever.

Yes, it searches across jurisdictions and also catches common data entry errors that might explain why your searches aren't returning results. Just upload your PDFs and it does the heavy lifting.

This is a good point. I remember dealing with similar issues around 2019-2020 when some states were still cleaning up their database migrations. You might need to contact the filing office directly for records that old.

That makes sense. The 2019 loan documents would have been referencing a filing that was already several years old at that point. I'll try calling the SOS office directly.

Before you spend time on hold with the SOS office, double-check that you have the complete filing number. Sometimes loan docs truncate the number or there might be a letter prefix that got cut off in copying.

I hadn't considered that! How would I search for the original UCC-1 if I only have a continuation number?

Continuation filings should reference the original filing number, but if you can't find the continuation either, you might need to search by debtor name for any active filings and work backwards.

That's a really good point. The loan documents came from a third-party servicing company, so it's possible they were using their own internal numbering system. I'll need to go back and check if there's an actual UCC filing number elsewhere in the paperwork.

I've seen servicers use their own tracking numbers that look like UCC numbers. Check for any other number sequences in the documents that might be the real filing number.

This happened to me last year! The servicer's internal number was prominently displayed but the actual UCC filing number was buried in the fine print. Look for any other number that starts with the year or has a different format.

I did try that but got too many results from other companies with similar names. I was hoping the specific filing number would narrow it down, but now I'm wondering if I need to go through those results more carefully.

When you get multiple results, look for filings from the 2012-2019 timeframe and check if any of the secured parties match what you'd expect from your loan documents. That might help you identify the right filing.

That's exactly what I'm starting to suspect happened here. I'll take another look at all the documentation to see if there's another number I missed.

Yeah, I've learned to be really careful about which numbers are actual filing numbers versus internal tracking numbers. The real UCC numbers usually have a specific format that matches the state's system.

Good point. I'll check if there were any corporate changes that might have affected the entity name. That could explain why the searches aren't working.

Secretary of State offices usually have corporate history searches that can show name changes and mergers. That might help you figure out what name was used when the UCC was originally filed.

I've been assuming it was filed in their home state, but you're right that it could be filed elsewhere. I'll check the loan documents to see if there are any clues about the filing jurisdiction.

The loan documents should specify which state's UCC law governs the filing. That's usually a good indicator of where to search.

Also check if the collateral includes fixtures or real estate - those might be filed in the county records rather than the state UCC database.

I'm going to go back and double-check the original documents to make sure I have the complete number. There might be additional digits or characters that I missed.

I've seen numbers get truncated when they're copied from one system to another. Look for any asterisks or ellipses that might indicate missing characters.

That's great news! It's so frustrating when those internal numbers look like real filing numbers. Glad you got it sorted out.

This happens more often than people realize. Servicers really need to be clearer about which numbers are official UCC filing numbers versus their own tracking systems.

Good reminder for everyone to double-check which numbers in loan documents are the actual UCC filing numbers. Thanks for updating us on the resolution!

This is exactly the kind of insight that would have saved me hours of searching! As someone new to UCC research, I had no idea that servicers commonly use their own tracking numbers that mimic official filing formats. Your suggestion about doing the debtor name search first as a verification step is brilliant - it's such a simple way to catch these issues before you waste time searching multiple state databases. I'll definitely keep this approach in mind for future deals. Thanks for sharing that practical tip!