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Ally Tailer

UCC 11 search Louisiana - help with debtor name verification process

Running into issues trying to verify a debtor's UCC filing history through what I think should be a UCC 11 search in Louisiana. Working on a commercial loan where we need to confirm no prior liens exist before we file our UCC-1. The borrower's legal name on their charter documents shows 'Bayou Equipment Solutions LLC' but when I search the Louisiana Secretary of State UCC database, I'm getting conflicting results. Some searches show filings under 'Bayou Equipment Solutions, LLC' (with comma) and others under the name without the comma. Is there a specific UCC 11 search procedure in Louisiana that handles these name variations automatically? Our compliance department is requiring clean search results before we can proceed with the loan closing next week. Has anyone dealt with Louisiana's UCC search system and these punctuation issues? I'm worried we might miss an existing filing due to name formatting differences.

Louisiana doesn't actually use 'UCC 11' terminology - that's more of a legacy reference. You want to do a UCC search through their GeauxBiz portal. The comma issue you're seeing is real and tricky. Louisiana's system doesn't always standardize punctuation automatically, so you need to search multiple name variations manually.

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Ally Tailer

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Thanks for the correction on terminology. So I should try searching both with and without the comma? Are there other punctuation marks I should test variations of?

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Yes, definitely try periods, ampersands vs 'and', inc vs incorporated. Also search the name in all caps and mixed case. Louisiana's search isn't as forgiving as some other states.

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I've had this exact same problem with Louisiana UCC searches! The debtor name matching there is really strict. You have to be super careful about every character. Last month I missed a filing because of a period after 'Inc' that I didn't include in my search.

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Cass Green

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That's scary. How did you catch the missed filing?

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Luckily the title company caught it during their own search before closing. Could have been a disaster if we'd filed our UCC-1 thinking we had first priority.

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Ally Tailer

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This is exactly what I'm worried about. Need to make sure we're not missing anything before we file.

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For what it's worth, I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool for exactly this type of situation. You can upload the borrower's charter documents along with your UCC search results and it cross-checks all the name variations automatically. Saved me from a major mistake on a similar Louisiana filing last quarter.

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Ally Tailer

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Interesting, how does that work exactly? Does it search the UCC database or just compare documents?

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It compares your documents to flag name inconsistencies. You upload the charter, your planned UCC-1, and search results - it highlights any mismatches that could cause problems. Super helpful for catching punctuation issues.

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That sounds useful. Would have saved me that headache I mentioned earlier.

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Madison Tipne

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Just went through this nightmare in Louisiana 2 weeks ago. Their search system is TERRIBLE for name matching. I had to call the Secretary of State office and they basically said I need to try every possible variation myself. No automated help whatsoever.

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Did they give you any guidance on which variations to try?

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Madison Tipne

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They said to try the exact name from formation documents, then common abbreviations. But honestly felt like they were just guessing too.

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Pro tip: Also search using just the core business name without entity type. So try 'Bayou Equipment Solutions' without LLC. Sometimes older filings drop the entity designation.

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Ally Tailer

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Good point, I hadn't thought of that variation.

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Malia Ponder

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Yes! And if they've ever amended their entity type or done a conversion, the old filings might still be under the previous designation.

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Kyle Wallace

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Wait, are you sure you need to search in Louisiana? If the borrower is incorporated elsewhere but just doing business in Louisiana, you might need to search their state of incorporation too for UCC filings.

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Ally Tailer

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They're actually a Louisiana LLC, formed there. But you're right that cross-state searches can be an issue in other situations.

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Kyle Wallace

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Ok good, just wanted to make sure. I've seen people miss filings by searching the wrong state.

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Ryder Ross

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This happened to me once with a Delaware corp. Searched everywhere except Delaware and almost missed a major lien.

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The Louisiana GeauxBiz system lets you download search results. Make sure you save copies of all your searches with different name variations for your compliance file. Shows due diligence if questions come up later.

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Ally Tailer

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Great advice. I'll make sure to document all the variations I try.

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And date/timestamp everything. Some lenders require proof of when searches were conducted relative to filing dates.

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Henry Delgado

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Been doing UCC work in Louisiana for 15 years. The search system there has always been finicky about exact name matches. I always recommend searching at least 5-6 name variations minimum, including common misspellings if the name is unusual.

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Olivia Kay

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What other common variations do you typically search beyond punctuation?

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Henry Delgado

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Abbreviations like 'Co' vs 'Company', 'Corp' vs 'Corporation', and sometimes people file under DBA names instead of legal names by mistake.

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Ally Tailer

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The DBA angle is something I hadn't considered. I should check if they have any registered DBAs.

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Joshua Hellan

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Another option is to hire a local UCC search company in Louisiana. They know all the quirks of the system and usually guarantee their searches. Might be worth it for a large loan.

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Ally Tailer

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We've considered that but trying to handle it in-house first. Good to know it's an option though.

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Jibriel Kohn

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Some of those search companies also offer insurance on their results, which can be valuable for compliance purposes.

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Just a thought but if you're this concerned about missing something, you might want to consider filing a broad UCC-1 that covers more collateral categories than you think you need. Better safe than sorry with lien priority issues.

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That's not really addressing the search issue though. You still need to know what other liens exist regardless of how broad your filing is.

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True, but at least ensures you're covered on the collateral you're taking. The search is still important for knowing your priority position.

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Ally Tailer

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Right, we need to know what we're potentially subordinate to.

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Update: I ended up trying that Certana tool someone mentioned earlier and it caught two name format issues I wouldn't have thought to check. Apparently the borrower had an old DBA filing that used a slightly different name format. Really glad I caught that before we proceeded.

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Awesome! That's exactly the kind of thing it's designed to catch. Those hidden name variations can be deal killers.

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Nice catch. Goes to show how tricky these Louisiana searches can be.

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James Johnson

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Sounds like that tool might be worth checking out for our team too. We do a lot of Louisiana deals.

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