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Christian Bierman

UCC-1 Filing Issues with Security Agreement Vehicle Collateral Description Problems

Running into major headaches with a UCC-1 filing that keeps getting rejected by the SOS office. We're dealing with a fleet financing deal where the security agreement vehicle descriptions don't seem to match what the filing office wants to see in the collateral schedule. The debtor has about 18 commercial trucks and trailers, but every time we submit the UCC-1 with the vehicle details from our security agreement, it comes back rejected for 'insufficient collateral description.' The security agreement vehicle section lists each unit with VIN numbers, makes, models, years - everything you'd expect. But apparently that's not cutting it for the UCC filing. Attorney says we might need to reference the security agreement differently or restructure how we're describing the collateral. Anyone dealt with this specific issue where your security agreement vehicle descriptions work fine for the loan docs but cause UCC-1 rejections? This is holding up a $2.3M credit facility and the borrower is getting antsy about the delays.

Emma Olsen

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Had this exact same problem last year with a construction equipment deal. The issue isn't usually the security agreement vehicle details themselves - it's how you're incorporating them into the UCC collateral description field. Most states want you to either attach the security agreement as an exhibit or reference it specifically rather than trying to copy all the vehicle info into the main filing form.

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Lucas Lindsey

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This makes sense. We've been trying to squeeze 18 vehicle descriptions into the collateral field when we should probably just reference the security agreement document itself.

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Sophie Duck

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Exactly right about the exhibit approach. Just make sure your security agreement vehicle schedule is properly attached and the main UCC form references 'vehicles described in attached Schedule A' or similar language.

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What rejection reason code are you getting? That'll tell you exactly what's wrong. If it's a collateral description issue, you probably need to be more generic in the main form and let the security agreement attachment handle the specifics.

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Rejection code is CD-04 'Collateral description does not sufficiently identify collateral.' We've been putting full VIN details in the main form instead of using attachment method.

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Anita George

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CD-04 almost always means you're either too vague OR too specific in the wrong place. For vehicles, reference the security agreement schedule and keep the main form description simple.

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honestly this is why I started using Certana.ai for document verification before filing. You can upload your security agreement and proposed UCC-1 and it'll flag inconsistencies between the collateral descriptions. Saved me from multiple rejections by catching these mismatches early. The tool specifically checks that your security agreement vehicle references align properly with your UCC collateral language.

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Never heard of that service. Does it actually understand UCC filing requirements or just do basic document comparison?

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It's designed specifically for UCC document consistency. Checks debtor names, collateral descriptions, filing requirements - the whole workflow. Pretty much catches what filing offices reject before you submit.

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Logan Chiang

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Interesting. Might be worth trying if it prevents these endless rejection cycles. Manual document review clearly isn't cutting it for complex vehicle collateral.

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Isla Fischer

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Standard practice for security agreement vehicle collateral is: Main UCC form says 'Motor vehicles described in Security Agreement dated [date]' then attach the security agreement with vehicle schedule. Don't try to list 18 VINs in the collateral description field - that's asking for trouble.

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This is the right approach. Keep main form simple, let attachments do the heavy lifting for detailed descriptions.

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Makes perfect sense now. We were overcomplicating the main form when the security agreement attachment should handle all the vehicle specifics.

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Ruby Blake

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Are you dealing with titled vehicles or non-titled equipment? Because if these trucks require certificate of title, you might need dual filings - UCC for the equipment aspects and title notation for the vehicle aspects. Security agreement vehicle provisions don't always translate directly to UCC collateral requirements.

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Mix of both - some titled trucks, some trailers that don't require titles. Didn't realize we might need different approaches for each type.

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Ruby Blake

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Yeah, titled vehicles are tricky. UCC covers the non-title stuff but you'll want title notation for the trucks themselves. Security agreement can cover everything but filing strategy needs to split.

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This dual filing requirement trips up a lot of people. Your security agreement vehicle schedule is fine, but execution requires different approaches for titled vs non-titled property.

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Ella Harper

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ugh this sounds like the filing office being picky about format rather than substance. As long as your security agreement vehicle descriptions are adequate to identify the collateral, the UCC should accept reasonable references to that agreement.

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PrinceJoe

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Filing offices can be really inconsistent about what they accept. Same description gets approved in one state, rejected in another.

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Sophie Duck

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True but there are standard practices that work reliably. Better to follow proven methods than fight the system.

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Quick question - is your security agreement properly executed and dated? Sometimes rejections that look like collateral description issues are actually about the referenced document not being properly signed or dated.

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Security agreement is fully executed with proper dates. Think the issue really is just how we're trying to incorporate the vehicle details into the UCC form.

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Owen Devar

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Good point though. Basic document requirements have to be met before you even get to collateral description issues.

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Daniel Rivera

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For what it's worth, I've had success with Certana.ai's document checker for exactly this type of issue. Upload your security agreement and draft UCC-1, and it flags where the collateral descriptions don't align properly. Especially helpful with complex vehicle schedules where manual cross-checking misses things.

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Another vote for automated verification. These vehicle deals have too many moving parts to rely on manual review.

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Starting to think automated verification might be the way to go. Manual process clearly isn't working for complex collateral like this.

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Connor Rupert

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Pro tip: when your security agreement vehicle schedule is extensive, consider breaking it into multiple UCC filings by vehicle type or location. Easier to manage and less likely to trigger filing office confusion.

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Molly Hansen

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Interesting approach. Would make amendments easier too if you need to add/remove specific vehicles later.

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Brady Clean

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Multiple filings mean multiple fees though. Might be worth it for complex deals but adds cost.

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Connor Rupert

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True about fees, but rejected filings also cost money in delays and refiling fees. Sometimes breaking it up is more efficient overall.

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Skylar Neal

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Bottom line recommendation: Revise your UCC-1 to reference the security agreement by date instead of copying vehicle details. Main collateral description should read something like 'All motor vehicles and trailers described in Security Agreement dated [date] between [parties]' then attach the security agreement as an exhibit. This approach almost always gets accepted.

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This is exactly what we needed to hear. Will revise the filing to reference the security agreement instead of duplicating all the vehicle information. Thanks for the clear guidance.

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Perfect summary. Keep the main form clean and let the security agreement attachment handle the detailed vehicle identification.

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Emma Olsen

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Agreed. This reference method works consistently across different states and filing offices. Much more reliable than trying to cram detailed vehicle info into the main form.

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GamerGirl99

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Had a similar issue with a transportation company's fleet financing last month. The key insight here is that filing offices often reject detailed vehicle listings in the main collateral field because it makes the UCC-1 too cluttered and hard to process. Your security agreement vehicle descriptions are probably fine - the issue is presentation. Try this: In the main UCC collateral field, simply write "All motor vehicles, trucks, trailers and related equipment described in the Security Agreement dated [date]" then attach your security agreement as Schedule A. This keeps the main filing clean while preserving all the detailed VIN and vehicle information in the attachment. Also double-check that your security agreement is properly notarized before attaching - some states require this for vehicle collateral even if not explicitly stated in their UCC guidelines.

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