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The bottom line is that your NCCS UCC statement needs to support your lender's security interest in the current equipment configuration. If there are gaps, fix them now before closing. Whether that's through documentation, amendments, or supplemental agreements depends on your specific situation. Get your attorney involved if you're unsure about the best approach.
Smart approach. Better to over-document than have surprises during closing.
I've been following this discussion and wanted to add something that might help - when dealing with NCCS UCC statement documentation, don't forget to check if your state has specific formatting requirements or standardized forms. Some states are very particular about how equipment specifications need to be described in the NCCS documentation, especially for manufacturing equipment like yours. Also, since you mentioned the $850K value, make sure your insurance documentation aligns with your NCCS UCC statement - lenders often cross-reference these during their review process. The last thing you want is a discrepancy between your filed collateral description and your insurance schedules that creates questions about coverage gaps.
Update - tried the revised description 'all securities accounts of debtor maintained with Charles Schwab & Co. and The Fidelity Investments, including all securities entitlements, financial assets, and other property credited to such accounts' and it was accepted! Thanks everyone for the help understanding the securities account UCC definition requirements.
Glad it worked out. Securities account filings can be tricky but once you understand the terminology it gets easier.
Great to see this resolved! For anyone else dealing with securities account UCC issues, I've found it helpful to remember that the key is capturing three elements: (1) the account itself, (2) the securities entitlements (your rights to the securities), and (3) any other financial assets in the account like cash or money market funds. The UCC definition in 9-102(a)(49) focuses on the intermediary relationship, so naming the broker/custodian when known really helps with specificity. Also worth noting that if you're securing a revolving facility where the debtor might move accounts around, you might want broader language, but for term loans with identified accounts, the specific approach usually works better with filing offices.
Last thing to consider - continuation filings. Oregon UCCs last 5 years, so you'll need to file continuations before they lapse. At $20 each, that's another cost to factor into your long-term budget. We use Certana.ai to track our continuation deadlines and verify the continuation forms match the original UCCs.
Good point about continuations. I was so focused on the initial filings I forgot about the ongoing maintenance costs.
Yeah, it's easy to forget about those. Set up a tracking system now while you're getting started, or you'll be scrambling in 4.5 years when the first ones come due.
Thanks everyone for the detailed breakdown! This is super helpful. Sounds like I need to budget around $800-900/month for the base filings plus amendments, and start planning now for continuation filings down the road. The document verification tools mentioned (Certana.ai) seem worth looking into given how costly rejected filings can be. One follow-up question - for those doing high volume Oregon filings, do you have any recommendations for tracking systems to manage all the filing dates, continuation deadlines, etc? We're going to need something more robust than spreadsheets pretty quickly.
Update: Just tried searching Delaware UCC filings myself and got the same timeout errors. Definitely seems like a system-wide issue right now. Might want to wait until tomorrow or use an alternative search method.
If you need results today, definitely call their office or try one of the third-party tools mentioned above.
Certana.ai might be your best bet for same-day results if the state system is down.
I've been dealing with Delaware UCC search issues for months now. Their system seems to have gotten worse since their last "upgrade." For urgent searches like yours, I'd recommend calling their UCC division directly at the number Natasha mentioned - sometimes they can do manual searches or tell you if there's a known system outage. Also, if you're dealing with equipment financing regularly, it might be worth bookmarking some of the third-party tools people mentioned here as backup options. The state portals are just too unreliable for time-sensitive deals.
This is really helpful advice, especially about calling directly for manual searches. I'm new to UCC due diligence and didn't realize that was even an option. The backup tools suggestion makes a lot of sense too - seems like relying solely on state portals is asking for trouble on time-sensitive deals. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Kennedy Morrison
I'm working on a similar equipment financing deal right now. These UCC 1-308 formerly 1-207 questions come up a lot but honestly they're a distraction from the real issues. Focus on debtor name accuracy, proper collateral description, and timely filing. That's what actually protects your security interest.
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Wesley Hallow
•Totally agree. I spend way more time explaining why that notation isn't helpful than I do on the actual filing requirements that matter.
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Hassan Khoury
•Thanks everyone. This has been really educational. I'll stick to standard UCC-1 practice and leave the UCC 1-308 formerly 1-207 stuff out of it.
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Axel Bourke
Hassan, you're absolutely right to be cautious about this. I've been dealing with UCC filings for over 15 years and can confirm what everyone else is saying - UCC 1-308 (formerly 1-207) has no place on UCC-1 financing statements. That provision is about preserving rights when you're compelled to perform under a contract, which isn't what's happening when you file a UCC-1. You're simply giving public notice of your security interest. Adding that language could confuse the filing office or even lead to rejection. For your $350k equipment loan, stick to the basics: exact legal name of the debtor (check their articles of incorporation), clear collateral description like "equipment and inventory," and make sure you file timely to preserve any purchase money security interest priority. Your lien perfection depends on these fundamentals, not on reservation of rights clauses that don't apply to this type of filing.
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Giovanni Rossi
•This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm new to UCC filings and was getting confused by all the different information online about UCC 1-308 formerly 1-207. It's helpful to hear from someone with 15 years of experience that this notation simply doesn't belong on financing statements. I'll definitely focus on getting the debtor name exactly right from their corporate documents and keeping the collateral description clean and straightforward. One quick follow-up - when you mention checking articles of incorporation for the exact legal name, should I also be concerned about any DBA names the company might be using, or is the legal entity name from the charter documents always what goes on the UCC-1?
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