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Beatrice Marshall

Kansas UCC search showing weird results - debtor name variations causing issues

Been doing UCC searches in Kansas and running into some strange results. When I search for a debtor with slight name variations (like 'ABC Manufacturing Inc' vs 'ABC Manufacturing, Inc.' vs 'ABC Manufacturing Incorporated'), I'm getting completely different filing lists. Some continuations aren't showing up under certain name searches even though they should be linked to the original UCC-1. Has anyone else noticed the Kansas SOS search being overly sensitive to punctuation and abbreviations? I need to make sure I'm not missing any active liens before we close on this equipment financing deal. The debtor swears they only have two active UCC-1s but my searches are showing inconsistent results depending on how I format the name.

Melina Haruko

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Oh man, Kansas is notorious for this! Their search algorithm is super literal. You have to try every possible variation - with periods, without periods, Inc vs Incorporated vs Corporation. I usually run like 5-6 different searches for the same debtor just to be safe. Missing a UCC because of a comma could cost you big time.

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That's what I was afraid of. Do you have a systematic approach for covering all the variations? This is taking forever and I'm worried I'm still missing something.

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Melina Haruko

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I keep a checklist - with/without periods, spell out vs abbreviate (Inc/Corp/LLC), check for middle initials, try both comma formats. Pain in the butt but necessary in Kansas.

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Had this exact problem last month! Kansas UCC search is ridiculous compared to other states. What's worse is sometimes the continuation statements reference the debtor name slightly different than the original UCC-1, so they don't even link properly in the system.

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Reina Salazar

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This is why I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool. You can upload all the UCC documents you find and it cross-checks everything - debtor names, filing numbers, makes sure continuations actually match their original UCC-1s. Saves me hours of manual comparison.

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Interesting, never heard of that. How does it handle the name variation issue specifically?

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Reina Salazar

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It flags potential matches even with slight name differences and shows you side-by-side comparisons. Really helpful for catching those continuation statements that reference the debtor name slightly differently.

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Kansas system is ancient. I swear they haven't updated their search logic since 2005. The worst part is when you finally think you have everything, you realize you missed a UCC-3 amendment that used yet another variation of the company name.

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Demi Lagos

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YES! And then the lender comes back asking why you didn't catch that lien that was 'obviously' there. Not so obvious when the debtor is listed three different ways!

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Exactly. I've started documenting every search variation I tried just to cover myself. At least then I can show I was thorough.

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Mason Lopez

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Are you searching by debtor name only or also trying the filing number approach? Sometimes it's easier to start with known UCC-1 numbers and work backwards to find all related amendments and continuations.

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I've been doing name searches mostly. The debtor gave me two filing numbers but I wanted to verify there weren't others. Should I be doing something different?

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Mason Lopez

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Try both approaches. Search the filing numbers they gave you, then look at all the related documents. But definitely still do comprehensive name searches because they might have forgotten about older filings.

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Vera Visnjic

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Good advice. I always cross-reference both ways. Sometimes debtors genuinely forget about UCC-1s from years ago, especially if they've changed their legal name since then.

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Jake Sinclair

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This is driving me crazy too! I spent 3 hours yesterday trying to verify a simple continuation chain. Kansas shows the UCC-1 under one name format, the UCC-3 continuation under a slightly different format, and they don't auto-link. How is this acceptable in 2025?

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Because Kansas probably spent their IT budget on something else. Their whole system feels like it was designed by someone who never actually had to use it.

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Jake Sinclair

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Truth. Other states at least try to do fuzzy matching or suggest similar names. Kansas just gives you exactly what you typed or nothing.

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Honorah King

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Pro tip: if you're really paranoid about missing something, try searching with just the first few words of the company name. Sometimes that catches variations you wouldn't think of. Also check if they've ever done business under any DBAs.

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That's smart, hadn't thought of the DBA angle. This debtor does have a few trade names they use.

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Oliver Brown

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DBA searches are crucial! I've found UCC-1s filed under trade names that never showed up in the main corporate name searches.

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Honorah King

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Exactly. And sometimes the original filer used the DBA on the UCC-1 even though they should have used the legal entity name.

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Mary Bates

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I ran into this mess with Kansas last year and ended up having to get title insurance because I couldn't be 100% confident in my search results. The insurance company's searcher found two additional UCC-1s that I had missed due to name variations. Embarrassing but educational.

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Ouch, that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. What variations did you miss if you don't mind sharing?

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Mary Bates

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One was filed with the full 'Corporation' spelled out instead of 'Corp', and another had an extra comma in the middle of the name. Tiny differences but the Kansas system treated them as completely separate entities.

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This is why I love tools like Certana.ai - you can upload your search results and cross-check them against the actual documents to make sure you didn't miss any connections. Would have saved you that insurance claim.

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Ayla Kumar

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Have you tried calling the Kansas SOS office directly? Sometimes their staff can do broader searches or give you tips on what variations to try. They deal with this complaint all the time.

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Good idea, I'll try that. Do they charge for phone assistance?

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Ayla Kumar

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Basic questions are usually free, but if you need them to do extensive searches they might charge. Still cheaper than missing a lien though.

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Kansas drives me nuts but at least their continuation deadlines are straightforward. Five years from the original filing date, no weird extensions or grace periods like some states have.

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True, their timing rules are simple. It's just the search function that's completely broken.

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Yep, if they could fix the search algorithm they'd actually have a decent system. The documents themselves are clear and well-organized.

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Kai Santiago

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For what it's worth, I've started keeping a Kansas-specific checklist of search variations. Happy to share it if anyone wants it. Includes all the common abbreviation patterns and punctuation variations that trip people up.

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That would be incredibly helpful! Can you post it here or send it somehow?

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Kai Santiago

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I'll type up the main points: Always try with/without periods after abbreviations, spell out Corp/Inc/LLC vs abbreviated, try both 'Company Name, Inc.' and 'Company Name Inc.', check for middle initials in personal names, and try the name both with and without 'The' at the beginning.

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Lim Wong

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This is gold, thank you! I'm copying this for my team. We do a lot of Kansas deals and this will save us tons of time.

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