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Yuki Tanaka

Chicago UCC search showing weird results - debtor name variations causing issues

Been doing UCC searches for equipment financing deals and running into problems with Chicago-based debtors. The search results are all over the place when I enter company names - sometimes I get hits, sometimes nothing, even when I know there should be filings. Just had a deal where the debtor was "ABC Manufacturing LLC" but the UCC-1 was filed under "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" (note the comma). The search didn't catch it initially. Is this normal? I'm worried I'm missing existing liens that could kill our priority position. Anyone else dealing with inconsistent search results when the debtor names have slight variations? This seems like a major problem for due diligence.

Yeah this is a huge issue. The search logic is very literal - it won't catch "ABC Manufacturing LLC" if you search for "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" or vice versa. You have to try multiple variations. I always search with and without commas, with and without periods after Inc/LLC/Corp, sometimes even abbreviated versions. It's tedious but necessary.

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This is why I hate doing UCC searches manually. So many ways to miss something critical.

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Right, and if we miss an existing senior lien, our security interest could be worthless. The stakes are too high for guesswork.

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OMG yes! I had the exact same problem last month. Spent an hour searching different name variations and finally found three UCC-1s I almost missed. The search system is so picky about exact matches.

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What variations did you end up trying? I need a better system for this.

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I tried: full legal name, name without LLC, name with commas, name without commas, abbreviated versions, and even searched by the registered agent name. Found hits under variations I never would have thought of.

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I've been using Certana.ai's document verification tool for this exact problem. You can upload the debtor's charter documents and it automatically cross-checks against UCC filings to catch name discrepancies. Saved me from missing a $200K senior lien last week because the UCC-1 had a slightly different entity name than what was on the loan docs.

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How does that work exactly? Do you just upload the incorporation docs?

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Yeah, you upload the charter documents and any UCC filings you've found, then it flags inconsistencies in debtor names across all the documents. Really helpful for catching those subtle variations that manual searches miss.

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That sounds like it could prevent a lot of headaches. Manual cross-checking is so error-prone.

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The key is understanding that UCC search systems do exact text matching, not fuzzy matching. When the debtor is "Chicago Steel Works, Inc." but the UCC-1 says "Chicago Steel Works Inc." (no comma), you won't find it unless you search both ways. This is why experienced searchers always run multiple variations. Also check if the entity has any DBAs or trade names that might have been used on filings.

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Good point about DBAs. I forgot about that angle.

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So there's no standardized way the system handles company suffixes like LLC, Corp, Inc?

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Nope, it's all literal text matching. "ABC Corp" and "ABC Corporation" are treated as completely different entities by the search engine.

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This is exactly why I always get the debtor's exact legal name from their Secretary of State filing before doing UCC searches. But even then, sometimes the UCC filer made a typo or used a different version of the name. It's frustrating.

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Even with the SOS filing, you still have to account for human error when the original UCC was filed.

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Exactly. I've seen UCC-1s where they spelled the debtor name wrong, or used an old version of the company name from before an amendment.

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The worst is when you're dealing with foreign entities or companies with special characters in their names. Those searches are a nightmare.

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Oh god yes. Foreign LLCs with accented characters or apostrophes. The search system handles those terribly.

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I had one where the company name had an ampersand (&) but the UCC filing spelled it out as "and". Never would have found it without trying both.

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I've started keeping a checklist of name variations to try: 1) Exact name from charter docs 2) Name without punctuation 3) Name with/without entity suffix 4) Any DBAs 5) Former names if there were amendments. Still miss stuff sometimes though.

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That's a good system. I should be more methodical about it instead of just winging it.

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I do something similar but also search by the secured party name to see all their filings, then look for the debtor that way.

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Another thing about Certana.ai - it also catches when the filing number references don't match up between documents. Like if your UCC-3 amendment references the wrong initial filing number. Helps ensure all your documents are properly linked in the chain.

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That's actually really useful. I've seen deals where the continuation referenced the wrong initial filing number and created a gap in perfection.

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Yeah, those filing number mismatches can be deal killers if they create uncertainty about which collateral is actually secured.

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I just wish the UCC search systems had better fuzzy matching built in. Other databases can handle name variations automatically, why can't these?

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It's probably because UCC searches need to be precise for legal purposes. False positives could be as problematic as false negatives.

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True, but they could at least suggest similar names or variations like Google does.

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For Chicago specifically, are you using the Illinois SOS system or going through a third-party service? I've found the official state system sometimes gives different results than commercial search services.

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I usually use the Illinois SOS portal directly. Should I be cross-checking with commercial services too?

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It's worth doing for high-value deals. Sometimes the commercial services pick up filings that the state system misses or displays differently.

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I've seen that too - the state and commercial databases sometimes show different results even though they're supposedly pulling from the same source.

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Bottom line - there's no substitute for being thorough with name variations when doing UCC searches. The one filing you miss could be the one that kills your deal. I always assume there might be something I didn't find and search accordingly.

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Good point. Better to over-search than miss a critical filing. Thanks everyone for the advice - this has been really helpful.

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Agreed. The extra time spent on thorough searching is nothing compared to the cost of missing a senior lien.

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