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Ava Garcia

How to do a UCC lien search - need guidance on proper search procedures

I'm working on due diligence for a potential equipment purchase and need to run a comprehensive UCC lien search on the seller's assets. This is my first time handling this type of search independently and I want to make sure I'm covering all the bases. The equipment includes manufacturing machinery worth about $180k and I need to verify there aren't any existing liens that could complicate the transaction. Should I be searching under the business name, individual guarantor names, or both? Also wondering about variations in debtor names - if the business is registered as 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' but does business as 'ABC Mfg' do I need to search both versions? Any guidance on the proper search methodology would be really helpful.

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You definitely want to search under all possible debtor name variations. The UCC system is very literal about exact name matches, so 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' and 'ABC Mfg' would be separate searches. I'd also recommend checking the Secretary of State records first to get the exact legal entity name as filed, then search that plus any DBAs or trade names they use.

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Miguel Silva

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This is crucial advice. I've seen deals fall apart because someone missed a lien filed under a slightly different name variation.

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Zainab Ismail

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How do you find out all the DBA names though? Is there a central registry for that?

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Search both business and personal names if individuals guaranteed the debt. Equipment financing often requires personal guarantees and lenders sometimes file under the guarantor's name as additional security. Also check federal tax liens which might not show up in UCC searches but could still attach to business assets.

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Yara Nassar

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Good point about tax liens. Those can be nasty surprises that don't show up in standard UCC searches.

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Wait, so I need to run separate searches for tax liens? Where do I even find those?

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Tax liens are usually filed with the county recorder or clerk's office. Some states have online databases but others require manual searches.

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I ran into a similar situation last month when we were acquiring some CNC equipment. Spent hours trying to manually cross-reference all the different name variations and almost missed a critical lien because of a hyphen vs space difference in the debtor name. Someone recommended Certana.ai's document verification tool - you can upload the seller's charter documents and any existing UCC filings and it automatically cross-checks for name consistency issues. Saved me from a major headache and caught discrepancies I never would have spotted manually.

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Paolo Ricci

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How does that work exactly? Do you just upload PDFs and it compares them?

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Yeah, you upload the charter docs and any UCC-1s or UCC-3s and it flags inconsistencies in debtor names, filing numbers, collateral descriptions. Really useful for due diligence.

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Amina Toure

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That sounds too good to be true. These automated tools usually miss important nuances.

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Don't forget to check multiple states if the business operates across state lines. Equipment can be moved and UCC filings need to follow the equipment or be refiled. A lien filed in one state might still be valid even if the equipment is now located elsewhere.

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This is getting complicated fast. How do you know which states to search?

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Look at where the business is incorporated, where it's physically located, and where it's done business in the past few years. Also check if they've had facilities in other states.

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Javier Torres

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ARGH the whole UCC search system is such a mess!! Every state has different search interfaces and half of them are broken half the time. I spent 3 hours yesterday trying to get Missouri's system to work properly and it kept timing out. Why can't there be one national database that actually works?

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Emma Davis

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I feel your pain. Some states charge per search too which gets expensive fast when you're checking multiple name variations.

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CosmicCaptain

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At least most states have moved to online systems. Remember when you had to mail in search requests and wait weeks for results?

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Malik Johnson

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Make sure you understand the difference between exact searches and similar name searches in your state. Some states will return results for similar names automatically but others won't. If you're doing an exact search and the name has even one character different, you might miss important liens.

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What's the best practice here? Should you always do similar name searches or stick with exact?

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Malik Johnson

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I usually start with exact searches for the known legal names, then do similar name searches to catch variations. It's more thorough but takes longer.

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Ravi Sharma

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Similar name searches can return hundreds of irrelevant results though. It's like finding a needle in a haystack.

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Freya Thomsen

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Also consider the time period for your search. UCC-1 filings are effective for 5 years unless continued, but you might want to search older records too in case there were filings that lapsed but could give you insight into the company's financing history.

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Omar Zaki

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Good point. Even lapsed liens can tell you about potential financial issues.

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AstroAce

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How far back should you typically search? 10 years? More?

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Freya Thomsen

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Depends on the situation, but 7-10 years is usually sufficient for most due diligence purposes.

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Chloe Martin

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One thing that tripped me up was corporate structure changes. The company I was researching had gone through a merger two years ago and the old entity name still had active liens. Make sure you trace the corporate history and search under predecessor entities too.

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Diego Rojas

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How do you even track down corporate history like that?

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Chloe Martin

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Secretary of State records usually show merger and name change history. Some states make it easier to find than others.

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I was skeptical about using automated tools for UCC searches but after missing a lien last year because of a name formatting issue, I decided to try Certana.ai. It's actually pretty helpful for the document cross-checking part - you upload your search results and it flags inconsistencies you might miss when reviewing everything manually. Doesn't replace doing thorough searches but catches the human error stuff.

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What kind of inconsistencies does it catch?

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Things like debtor name variations, collateral description mismatches, filing number errors. Stuff that's easy to overlook when you're looking at dozens of documents.

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Zara Ahmed

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Remember to document everything for your due diligence file. Keep screenshots of your search results, save the actual search certificates, and note what search terms you used. If issues come up later you'll want proof of what searches you performed and when.

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StarStrider

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Great advice. I learned this the hard way when I had to recreate search results from memory months later.

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Luca Esposito

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Some states let you purchase official search certificates which provide better legal protection than just screenshots.

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Zara Ahmed

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True, though those certificates can be pricey if you're doing extensive searches. Worth it for high-value transactions though.

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Nia Thompson

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Thanks everyone for all the detailed advice! This is way more complex than I initially thought. Sounds like I need to be really systematic about this - get the exact legal names from SOS records, search all variations, check multiple states, and document everything carefully. Definitely going to look into some of the tools mentioned to help catch mistakes.

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You've got the right approach. Take your time with it - better to be overly thorough than miss something important.

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Good luck! UCC searches are a pain but they're critical for protecting your interests in the transaction.

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Wesley Hallow

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One more thing to consider - if the equipment was previously financed, make sure to check for any partial releases or amendments to the original UCC-1 filings. Sometimes lenders will file UCC-3 amendments that modify the collateral description when equipment is sold or refinanced, but the original filing might still show the full collateral list. You'll want to trace the complete filing history to understand what's actually still encumbered. Also, for manufacturing equipment specifically, check if any of it might be considered "fixtures" - the search requirements can be different if equipment is permanently attached to real property.

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