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Thanks everyone for the help. I'm going to pull the LLC's Articles of Organization and use that exact name on the UCC-1. Better safe than sorry with $280K in collateral at stake.

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If you want to double-check before filing, the Certana.ai tool I mentioned earlier can verify the name match in seconds. Just upload both documents and it flags any discrepancies.

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I might try that - sounds like it could save me some anxiety about whether I got the section 9-102 definitions right.

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I'm new to UCC filings and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with a similar situation where my client has an LLC but does business under a completely different trade name. Based on what everyone is saying, it sounds like I should ignore the trade name entirely and just use whatever is on the Articles of Organization filed with the Secretary of State. Is that correct? I don't want to make the same mistake others have mentioned about using the wrong name and having to refile. The section 9-102 definitions are pretty overwhelming when you're just starting out.

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Last resort might be to refile the entire UCC-1 with correct debtor name and then immediately file continuation. You'd lose your original priority date but at least maintain perfection going forward.

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True but better to have subordinate perfection than no perfection at all with a $2.8M loan.

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Definitely a last resort option. Try the corrective amendment route first before starting over.

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Eli Wang

I've dealt with NY UCC filings extensively and they are absolutely rigid about exact name matches. Your best bet is to file a UCC-3 amendment to correct the debtor name first, citing it as a "minor error" correction, then immediately follow with your continuation filing. NY does allow corrective amendments even after lapse in certain circumstances, especially when you can demonstrate it's clearly the same legal entity. Make sure to include supporting documentation showing the corporation has always been "ABC Manufacturing Corporation" and that the original abbreviated filing was an error. The key is acting quickly - every day that passes makes it harder to argue the correction is valid.

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Based on everything discussed here, it sounds like the OP should focus on negotiating the loan terms directly rather than trying to use UCC 1-308 as a safety net. Most lenders won't accept documents with rights reservations anyway, so it's probably not a practical solution for a commercial deal.

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Smart decision. Direct negotiation is almost always more effective than trying to preserve rights through UCC 1-308 notations.

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Agreed. And don't forget to have all your documents reviewed for consistency before filing any UCC statements. Document alignment issues cause way more problems than most people realize.

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I've been following this discussion closely and wanted to share my experience from the other side - as someone who works in UCC filing and document processing. The advice about focusing on direct negotiation rather than UCC 1-308 is spot on. I see hundreds of filings every month and can tell you that documents with rights reservations almost always cause delays and complications. Lenders typically require clean documentation without any conditional language. If you're concerned about specific terms, it's much more effective to negotiate those upfront or have your attorney review the agreements before signing. The time you'd spend trying to properly implement UCC 1-308 would be better invested in thorough document review and negotiation.

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Thanks for sharing that insider perspective! From a processing standpoint, what are the most common document consistency issues you see that cause filing delays? I'm thinking beyond just the UCC 1-308 situation - are there other red flags that borrowers should watch out for when preparing their documentation packages?

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Really appreciate this insight from the filing side! As someone new to commercial financing, this helps clarify why everyone here is steering away from UCC 1-308. Quick question - when you mention document consistency issues, are debtor name mismatches the biggest problem you see, or are there other critical alignment issues that commonly trip up filings? I want to make sure I'm not missing any obvious pitfalls as I prepare my documentation.

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One more thing - since you mentioned the loan closes next week, make sure you have enough time for the UCC-1 to be processed and show up in the filing system. Some states are faster than others, and you don't want closing delays because the filing isn't showing as accepted yet.

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Electronic filing usually processes within 24-48 hours in most states. You should be fine if you file by Tuesday.

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But have a backup plan in case there are any rejection issues. Sometimes debtor name formatting can cause problems even on electronic filings.

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This is a classic multi-jurisdictional secured transaction scenario. You're definitely on the right track with both UCC provisions. Since you're dealing with mobile manufacturing equipment, the key is that UCC § 9-109(1) clearly brings this within Article 9's scope - no question there. For filing location, focus on where your debtor is organized (usually state of incorporation), not where the equipment will be located. The 1-308 reservation is smart given your evolving equipment specs. I'd recommend getting your security agreement language locked down first with specific 1-308 reservations, then make sure your UCC-1 collateral description is broad enough to cover the equipment as it moves and potentially changes. With a Thursday closing, file by Tuesday morning to be safe. The electronic systems are usually reliable but you don't want any last-minute surprises on a $2.3M deal.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! The timeline breakdown is especially helpful since we're cutting it so close. One quick follow-up - when you mention making sure the UCC-1 collateral description is "broad enough to cover equipment as it moves and potentially changes" - are there any specific language patterns that work well for manufacturing equipment that might get upgraded or modified? We're worried about being too vague but also don't want to be so specific that we miss coverage if components get swapped out.

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Update us on how this resolves! I'm dealing with a potential similar situation and would love to know if the mobility of the equipment ends up being the deciding factor for priority. Good luck with the recovery.

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Will definitely update the thread once we get resolution. Meeting with our attorney next week to develop strategy based on all the great advice here. Thanks everyone!

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Looking forward to the update. These priority disputes are becoming more common as construction lending increases. Real-world outcomes help all of us understand how courts are interpreting these competing claims.

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This is exactly why I always recommend adding a specific covenant to equipment financing agreements requiring borrowers to immediately notify the lender of any construction projects where the equipment will be used. We also require them to provide advance notice before moving equipment to any construction site. It doesn't prevent mechanics lien issues entirely, but it gives you better visibility into potential conflicts before they become priority disputes. The mobile nature of your equipment should work in your favor here - just make sure you have documentation showing it was never permanently affixed to any real property.

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That's really smart proactive planning! As someone new to equipment financing, I'm learning there are so many potential pitfalls that experienced lenders plan for upfront. The advance notice requirement for construction site usage is brilliant - gives you the chance to get mechanics lien waivers or adjust your risk assessment before problems arise. I'm definitely going to incorporate these covenant ideas into my future deals. Question though - do borrowers typically push back on these notification requirements, or do they see them as reasonable business protections?

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