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Lindsey Fry

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For anyone else reading this thread, remember that 9-1201 territorial rules can change if the debtor relocates their organization to a different state. You'd need to refile in the new jurisdiction within four months under 9-1207.

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Miguel Harvey

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We include relocation covenants in our loan agreements for exactly this reason.

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Lindsey Fry

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Smart practice. The four-month window goes by fast if you're not monitoring.

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Kayla Morgan

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Update: I ended up using that Certana tool someone mentioned earlier and it confirmed Delaware filing. Also caught a small typo in the debtor name that could have caused problems. Thanks everyone for the confirmation on 9-1201!

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Ella Cofer

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Glad it helped! Those name verification features are clutch for avoiding rejections.

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James Maki

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Nice to see a thread with a clear resolution. Too many of these UCC discussions just trail off without answers.

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Ravi Sharma

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The length isn't your main concern - focus on making sure your UCC-1 properly perfects your security interest in all the collateral. A rejection for technical formatting is annoying but fixable. A perfection failure because of inadequate collateral description could cost you your entire security interest.

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Ravi Sharma

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Exactly. Take the time to get it right the first time, even if that means a longer filing.

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Freya Larsen

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This is why I always recommend having someone else review complex UCC filings before submission. Fresh eyes catch things you miss.

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Omar Hassan

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I think you're overthinking the page length issue. Focus on the substantive requirements - proper debtor identification, accurate collateral description, correct addresses. Those are what actually matter for a successful filing.

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You're probably right. I guess I got paranoid after reading about all the different ways UCC filings can get rejected.

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Omar Hassan

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The rejection rate is actually pretty low if you follow the basic requirements. Most issues are easily avoidable with careful preparation.

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Tyler Lefleur

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Just had another thought - since you mentioned this is construction equipment, make sure your collateral description is broad enough to cover any attachments or accessories that might get added to the machinery during the project. Sometimes borrowers add specialized attachments that could be considered separate collateral.

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Exactly. Construction equipment tends to get modified and upgraded during its working life. You want to make sure your security interest covers everything.

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Max Knight

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I learned this lesson when a borrower added a $50k attachment to an excavator and we hadn't covered accessories in our original UCC. Had to file an amendment to pick up the new collateral.

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Emma Swift

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Sounds like you've got your answer on Delaware filing. One last piece of advice - keep copies of everything including the search results showing your filing was accepted. Sometimes you need to prove perfection timing later and having the documentation makes it much easier.

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Definitely will do. Thanks everyone for the help - feeling much more confident about getting this filed correctly now.

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Good luck with the filing! Delaware should be straightforward for this type of deal.

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Ethan Taylor

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One more thing to consider - make sure your UCC-1 filing covers all the collateral adequately but doesn't inadvertently include contractual obligations that don't create security interests. I've seen deals where over-broad collateral descriptions created confusion later during audits or when trying to release specific assets.

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Ethan Taylor

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Right, precision in collateral descriptions saves headaches down the road, especially if you need to do partial releases or amendments later.

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Yuki Ito

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I learned this the hard way when I had to file multiple UCC-3 amendments to clarify what was actually secured versus what was just referenced in the original filing.

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Carmen Lopez

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Thanks everyone for all the insights! This has really helped clarify the distinction between what needs UCC filing versus what stays under general contract law. I think I'll separate the equipment security agreement from the service contracts and focus my UCC-1 filing on the tangible assets while keeping the service obligations as standard contractual terms.

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GalacticGuru

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That sounds like a solid approach. Just make sure your attorney reviews the final structure to confirm everything is properly covered.

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Omar Fawaz

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Good plan. The separation approach has worked well for me in similar situations.

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One thing that helped me understand UCC documents definition was thinking of them like a filing cabinet. UCC-1 opens the file folder for that debtor, UCC-3 amendments add pages to the folder, continuations extend the folder's expiration date, and terminations close the folder permanently. Each document serves a specific purpose in maintaining that secured party's claim on the collateral.

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Norah Quay

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I love that file folder analogy! That makes the whole system make sense.

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Glad it helps! I'm a visual learner so thinking in analogies always works better for me than trying to memorize legal definitions.

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Quick reality check - you're going to make mistakes at first and that's normal. I accidentally filed a termination instead of an amendment once and had to frantically correct it. The key is having good review processes and tools to catch errors before they become problems. Document everything and when in doubt, ask senior staff or use verification tools to double-check your work.

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Everyone messes up initially. The important thing is learning from mistakes and building good habits. You'll be fine!

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Levi Parker

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This is why I love using Certana.ai's verification - catches my mistakes before they hit the state filing system. Much less stressful than discovering errors after the fact.

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