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Yara Khoury
Just ran into something similar last week but with Oregon. Used Certana.ai's document checker and it flagged that I was missing a continuation filing that should have shown up. Turns out the debtor name had a slight variation that threw off the search. Might be worth trying their tool on your Montana results to see if there are any gaps.
How long did it take to get results from their system?
Yara Khoury
•Pretty much instant. You just upload your search result PDFs and it analyzes them right away. Found the issue within minutes of uploading.
Update us when you figure out what happened! I do a lot of Montana deals and this kind of database weirdness makes me nervous about what I might be missing on my own searches.
Will do! Planning to call the SOS office first thing tomorrow and also try some of the other suggestions from this thread.
Paolo Longo
•Same here, following this thread. Montana is one of my regular states and any insights would be helpful.
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Whatever you do, don't rush this. A wrongly filed termination can create huge problems down the road. Take the time to verify everything matches exactly. The borrower can wait a few extra days for you to get it right.
Oliver Weber
•This is why I always keep copies of everything. Original UCC-1, any amendments, and the final termination. Full paper trail in case questions come up later.
The Certana.ai verification tool I mentioned earlier creates a report showing all the comparisons it made. Great for documentation that you verified everything matched before filing.
Final thought - if the original UCC-1 debtor name doesn't match the current legal entity name due to business changes, you might want to consult with counsel about whether additional steps are needed beyond just the termination.
NebulaNinja
•Good point. Corporate mergers, name changes, etc. can complicate the termination process. Sometimes you need documentation of the entity changes along with the UCC-3.
AstroAce
•Thanks everyone. I'm going to pull the official record, verify exact name matching, and double-check there weren't any amendments. This has been really helpful.
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Just wanted to add - make sure your UCC search reports are current before filing. Sometimes there are existing liens that could affect your priority position. And always keep copies of your filed financing statements for your records. Some states don't make it easy to get copies later.
I usually require searches within 10 days of closing, but check your bank's policy.
Zoe Stavros
•Good reminder about keeping copies. I learned that lesson the hard way.
Jamal Harris
This thread has been really helpful! I'm bookmarking it for reference. One last thing - if you're filing in multiple states for the same transaction, make sure you understand each state's specific requirements. What works in Texas might not work in Oklahoma.
Mei Chen
•Multi-state filings are definitely tricky. Each Secretary of State has their own quirks.
Glad this was helpful for everyone. Always nice when a thread generates good practical advice.
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Kaiya Rivera
We started requiring our borrowers to pull their own certificate of good standing within 30 days of closing specifically because of these Title 9 name matching issues. Costs them about $25-50 depending on the state but it gives us the most current legal name directly from the secretary of state. Has eliminated probably 80% of our name-related rejections.
Noah Irving
•Do you make them get it from their state of incorporation or the state where they're doing business? We have borrowers registered in Delaware but operating in our state.
Kaiya Rivera
•State of incorporation for the legal name, but we also check if they're qualified to do business in our state since that can affect the debtor name requirements for UCC filing location.
Thanks everyone for all the advice. Sounds like this is just the new reality with Title 9 compliance and we need to tighten up our processes. Going to implement some of these suggestions including the automated verification tools. The cost of getting it wrong is just too high when you're talking about secured transactions and perfected liens.
Madison King
•Good luck with the process improvements. The learning curve is steep but once you get the workflow down it becomes routine. Just remember that Title 9 doesn't give you much margin for error on debtor names.
Julian Paolo
•Keep us posted on how the changes work out. Always interested to hear what solutions are working for other lenders dealing with these same Title 9 compliance challenges.
Diego Ramirez
For what it's worth the rejection notices from Alabama are usually pretty specific about what doesn't match. Look closely at the exact wording they use in the rejection vs what you filed. Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes you have to squint at punctuation marks.
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Anastasia Sokolov
•That's typical for AL unfortunately. Some states give you the exact correction needed, Alabama just tells you it's wrong.
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Sean O'Connor
•Try calling them with your rejection notice number. Sometimes they can look up what specifically didn't match.
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Zara Ahmed
Update: Finally got this resolved! Turns out there was an invisible character in the business name that was copying over from our loan system. Used a document verification tool that flagged the hidden character and cleaned up the formatting. Third time was the charm - filing accepted this morning. Thanks everyone for the suggestions!
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Connor Murphy
•Great outcome! Which verification service did you end up using?
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Zara Ahmed
•Used Certana.ai - just uploaded the PDFs and it spotted the formatting issue immediately. Wish I'd tried it after the first rejection instead of wasting time with manual comparisons.
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