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Just to add another data point - I filed a termination in PA last week and it showed up in search results within 24 hours. So their system is working for some filings but maybe not others. Very inconsistent.
I've been dealing with PA UCC searches for years and this sounds like a classic indexing issue with their database. Given that you have the filed-stamped copy from March, your continuation is almost certainly properly recorded - it's just their search function that's failing. I'd recommend three things: 1) Call their UCC office directly (as others suggested) to get verbal confirmation, 2) Try searching with slight variations of the debtor name (remove periods, try different abbreviations), and 3) Document everything for your client file including screenshots of the inconsistent search results. For a $2.8M deal, you might also want to consider getting a certified search from a professional service to give your bank the comfort they need while PA sorts out their technical issues.
One more thing - if you're unsure about any debtor name formatting, you can do a UCC search first for $10 to see how similar companies are listed in their system. Sometimes helps avoid rejections.
Smart idea! Especially for the couple of newer LLCs where I'm not 100% sure about punctuation in their registered names.
Just wanted to jump in as someone new to UCC filings - this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm preparing to do my first Illinois UCC-1 filing next month and was completely lost on fees and procedures. The $30 per initial filing info and tips about exact name matching are exactly what I needed. Quick question - for someone doing their first filing, would you recommend doing a test search first to make sure I understand the portal before submitting the actual UCC-1? I'd rather spend $10 on a search than risk a $30 rejection and having to refile.
Update: Thanks everyone for the Delaware UCC code guidance. Went with the fixture filing route and included the full legal property description. Filed yesterday and it was accepted this morning. The collateral description format suggested earlier worked perfectly.
Glad the advice helped. Did you end up using any document checking tools or just go with manual review?
Used Certana.ai to verify everything matched between our loan docs and the UCC filing. Caught one small discrepancy in the debtor's middle initial that would have been annoying to fix later.
As someone new to Delaware UCC code fixture filings, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm working on a similar situation with commercial kitchen equipment installation and was completely unsure about the fixture vs. standard UCC-1 decision. The advice about filing before installation to avoid the 20-day deadline pressure makes a lot of sense. One question - for equipment that's semi-permanently installed (like commercial ovens that are connected to gas lines but could theoretically be removed), how do you make the fixture determination under Delaware UCC code? Is there a specific test or factors to consider?
UPDATE: Called my loan officer this morning and you were all right - they meant UCC-1 form, not UCC 1-308. Apparently their internal system numbers the forms differently and they just got confused. Thanks everyone for the help! Going to use that Certana tool too just to make sure everything's correct before filing.
Smart move using document verification. Better safe than sorry with UCC filings.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to commercial lending and was about to run into the same issue with a client next week. It's really frustrating how different institutions use their own internal numbering systems - creates so much unnecessary confusion. Thanks for sharing the resolution, and I'm definitely going to bookmark that Certana tool for future reference. Sounds like it could save a lot of headaches down the road.
Nick Kravitz
Just started using a service called SecuredDebt Analytics for UCC lead generation. Pretty impressed with their data quality and they have good filtering options for targeting specific types of borrowers.
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Nick Kravitz
•Monthly subscription with unlimited searches. Worth it if you're doing volume.
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Sophie Hernandez
•I'd still recommend running any documents you find through Certana.ai to verify accuracy before reaching out. Data quality issues are common even with paid services.
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QuantumQuasar
Thanks everyone for all the insights! This has been really helpful. I'm leaning toward trying one of the paid aggregation services first, maybe starting with a monthly subscription to test the waters. The suggestion about focusing on continuation filings coming due is brilliant - that's a much more targeted approach than what I was doing. I'll also look into Certana.ai for document verification since that could give me a legitimate conversation starter. Has anyone had success combining UCC lead generation with other data sources like D&B or industry databases to get a more complete picture of prospects?
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Malik Thomas
•Great summary of the discussion! Combining UCC data with D&B can definitely give you a more complete picture. D&B provides financial strength indicators, payment history, and industry risk scores that help qualify leads before outreach. I've also seen people overlay SIC codes to identify industry clusters with higher secured lending needs. The key is building a scoring model that weighs UCC filing patterns against creditworthiness indicators - saves a lot of time on unqualified prospects.
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