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Bottom line for your CNC situation: primary use = manufacturing = equipment classification. The occasional sales don't change that fundamental relationship. List as equipment and you're good to go.

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Perfect, that's the confirmation I needed. Going with equipment classification for the CNC machines. Thanks everyone for the help understanding Article 9 collateral types!

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Mateo Sanchez

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Great discussion on the primary use test! One thing to add - when documenting your rationale for equipment classification, consider including a brief description in your security agreement about how the CNC machines are "used or bought for use primarily in business operations" rather than "held for sale or lease." This language mirrors the UCC definitions and can help support your classification decision if it's ever questioned. Also, for mixed-use assets like yours, some attorneys recommend including a clause that covers "all replacements, substitutions, and proceeds" to catch any scenario where equipment might temporarily shift categories.

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Jenna Sloan

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This is really valuable advice about the documentation approach! I hadn't thought about explicitly using the UCC definitional language in the security agreement itself. The "replacements, substitutions, and proceeds" clause sounds like great protection too - would that cover scenarios where they trade in old CNC machines for newer models? Also, when you mention "if it's ever questioned," are you thinking more about disputes with other creditors or issues during enforcement proceedings?

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I'm working on a similar equipment financing deal right now. These UCC 1-308 formerly 1-207 questions come up a lot but honestly they're a distraction from the real issues. Focus on debtor name accuracy, proper collateral description, and timely filing. That's what actually protects your security interest.

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Wesley Hallow

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Totally agree. I spend way more time explaining why that notation isn't helpful than I do on the actual filing requirements that matter.

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Hassan Khoury

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Thanks everyone. This has been really educational. I'll stick to standard UCC-1 practice and leave the UCC 1-308 formerly 1-207 stuff out of it.

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Axel Bourke

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Hassan, you're absolutely right to be cautious about this. I've been dealing with UCC filings for over 15 years and can confirm what everyone else is saying - UCC 1-308 (formerly 1-207) has no place on UCC-1 financing statements. That provision is about preserving rights when you're compelled to perform under a contract, which isn't what's happening when you file a UCC-1. You're simply giving public notice of your security interest. Adding that language could confuse the filing office or even lead to rejection. For your $350k equipment loan, stick to the basics: exact legal name of the debtor (check their articles of incorporation), clear collateral description like "equipment and inventory," and make sure you file timely to preserve any purchase money security interest priority. Your lien perfection depends on these fundamentals, not on reservation of rights clauses that don't apply to this type of filing.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm new to UCC filings and was getting confused by all the different information online about UCC 1-308 formerly 1-207. It's helpful to hear from someone with 15 years of experience that this notation simply doesn't belong on financing statements. I'll definitely focus on getting the debtor name exactly right from their corporate documents and keeping the collateral description clean and straightforward. One quick follow-up - when you mention checking articles of incorporation for the exact legal name, should I also be concerned about any DBA names the company might be using, or is the legal entity name from the charter documents always what goes on the UCC-1?

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NeonNinja

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The bottom line is that your NCCS UCC statement needs to support your lender's security interest in the current equipment configuration. If there are gaps, fix them now before closing. Whether that's through documentation, amendments, or supplemental agreements depends on your specific situation. Get your attorney involved if you're unsure about the best approach.

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Luca Ferrari

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Smart approach. Better to over-document than have surprises during closing.

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Carmen Flores

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Keep us posted on how it goes! Always interested to hear how these situations resolve.

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Omar Hassan

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I've been following this discussion and wanted to add something that might help - when dealing with NCCS UCC statement documentation, don't forget to check if your state has specific formatting requirements or standardized forms. Some states are very particular about how equipment specifications need to be described in the NCCS documentation, especially for manufacturing equipment like yours. Also, since you mentioned the $850K value, make sure your insurance documentation aligns with your NCCS UCC statement - lenders often cross-reference these during their review process. The last thing you want is a discrepancy between your filed collateral description and your insurance schedules that creates questions about coverage gaps.

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Heather Tyson

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Update - tried the revised description 'all securities accounts of debtor maintained with Charles Schwab & Co. and The Fidelity Investments, including all securities entitlements, financial assets, and other property credited to such accounts' and it was accepted! Thanks everyone for the help understanding the securities account UCC definition requirements.

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Perfect - that's exactly the level of specificity most filing offices want to see.

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Raul Neal

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Glad it worked out. Securities account filings can be tricky but once you understand the terminology it gets easier.

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Great to see this resolved! For anyone else dealing with securities account UCC issues, I've found it helpful to remember that the key is capturing three elements: (1) the account itself, (2) the securities entitlements (your rights to the securities), and (3) any other financial assets in the account like cash or money market funds. The UCC definition in 9-102(a)(49) focuses on the intermediary relationship, so naming the broker/custodian when known really helps with specificity. Also worth noting that if you're securing a revolving facility where the debtor might move accounts around, you might want broader language, but for term loans with identified accounts, the specific approach usually works better with filing offices.

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Welcome to the secured lending world! The UCC system really is the backbone of how secured transactions work. Once you get comfortable with the basics, you'll start to appreciate how the system protects both lenders and borrowers by creating clear rules for priority and notice.

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Mason Stone

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I'm starting to see how it all fits together. Thanks everyone for the explanations - this forum is incredibly helpful!

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Happy to help! Feel free to post specific questions as you encounter them. The community here is pretty knowledgeable about UCC issues.

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One practical tip as you're getting started - create a UCC filing checklist for your team. Include items like: verify debtor's exact legal name, confirm proper collateral description, double-check filing jurisdiction, and set up continuation reminders. Having a standardized process will help prevent the common mistakes everyone's mentioned here. Also, don't hesitate to reach out to the Secretary of State's UCC division if you have questions - they're usually pretty helpful with procedural issues.

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Logan Stewart

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That checklist idea is brilliant! I'm definitely going to put something like that together. It sounds like having a systematic approach is really important to avoid costly mistakes. Do you have any recommendations for software or tools that help manage the UCC filing process, or is it mostly manual tracking with spreadsheets?

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