UCC Article 9 comments causing filing confusion - need clarification
I'm dealing with a situation where our bank's loan officer is requiring specific language in the UCC-1 collateral description based on Article 9 comments they read somewhere. The problem is, these comments seem to contradict what our filing service is telling us about standard collateral descriptions. We're trying to perfect a security interest in equipment for a manufacturing client, and the loan officer wants us to include detailed serial numbers and model information in the collateral schedule because they claim Article 9 comments require it for specificity. But our filing service says this level of detail isn't necessary and might actually cause problems if the equipment gets replaced. The client is getting frustrated because we've already had one UCC-1 rejected due to formatting issues, and now we're stuck between what the loan officer thinks Article 9 comments require versus what actually works in practice. Has anyone else run into this issue where Article 9 comments are being interpreted differently by different parties? I need to get this filing right because the loan closes next week.
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Miguel Hernández
This is a classic case of over-interpreting the Article 9 comments. The comments are explanatory, not binding requirements. For equipment financing, you typically want a broader collateral description that covers replacements and additions, not hyper-specific serial numbers. What state are you filing in? Some states have different practices.
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KylieRose
•We're filing in Ohio. The loan officer keeps referencing some Article 9 comment about adequacy of collateral descriptions, but I can't find the specific language they're talking about.
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Miguel Hernández
•Ohio follows the standard Article 9 approach. The comments support functional descriptions over serial number lists. Your filing service is right - overly specific descriptions can cause problems when equipment gets replaced or upgraded.
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Sasha Ivanov
I've seen this before - someone reads the Article 9 comments and thinks they're finding some secret requirement that everyone else missed. The reality is that Article 9 comments are just explanatory text, not additional legal requirements. Your collateral description needs to be sufficient to identify the collateral, but it doesn't need to be exhaustively detailed.
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Liam Murphy
•Exactly. The comments clarify the statute but don't create new obligations. I've had clients get tripped up by this same issue.
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Amara Okafor
•But doesn't the comment to 9-108 talk about specificity requirements? I thought there was something about adequate description standards...
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Sasha Ivanov
•The 9-108 comment explains when descriptions are adequate, but it doesn't require serial numbers for equipment. It actually supports category-based descriptions in most cases.
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CaptainAwesome
Had a similar mess last month with a client who insisted on following Article 9 comments literally. We ended up using Certana.ai's document verification tool to upload our UCC-1 draft and cross-check it against the actual statutory requirements versus the comments. The tool flagged that our collateral description was actually compliant with the statute, even though it didn't match what the client thought the comments required. Saved us from a rejected filing.
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Yuki Tanaka
•How does that tool work exactly? Does it analyze the actual Article 9 text versus the comments?
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CaptainAwesome
•You just upload your UCC documents as PDFs and it checks them against filing requirements. It caught that we were overthinking the collateral description based on comments rather than the actual statute.
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Esmeralda Gómez
Your loan officer is probably looking at Comment 2 to Section 9-108, which talks about description adequacy, but they're misunderstanding it. The comment actually supports broader descriptions for categories of collateral like equipment. Serial numbers are only needed when you're trying to identify specific items among similar collateral.
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KylieRose
•That might be exactly what they're referencing! Do you have the specific language from that comment?
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Esmeralda Gómez
•The comment says 'a description of collateral as "all equipment" would suffice for purposes of this section.' That's pretty clear that you don't need serial numbers for equipment generally.
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Klaus Schmidt
•This is why I always keep a copy of the official Article 9 text with comments. People get confused between what the law requires versus what the explanatory comments say.
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Aisha Patel
ugh this is so frustrating when loan officers think they know UCC law better than filing professionals. I had one insist we needed to include the debtor's middle initial because of some Article 9 comment about sufficient names. Turns out the comment was talking about something completely different.
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LilMama23
•Loan officers mean well but they're not UCC experts. The comments can be confusing if you're not familiar with how they relate to the actual statutory text.
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Aisha Patel
•Exactly! And then when the filing gets rejected because of their 'requirements,' guess who gets blamed...
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Dmitri Volkov
The Article 9 comments are helpful for understanding the drafters' intent, but they're not law. Your filing service is correct that overly specific collateral descriptions can cause problems. Equipment gets replaced, model numbers change, and you don't want your security interest to become unperfected because of hyper-specific language.
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Gabrielle Dubois
•This is such an important point. I've seen security interests fail because the collateral description was too narrow based on someone's misreading of the comments.
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Dmitri Volkov
•Right. The comments to 9-108 actually warn against descriptions that are too specific when broader categories would be more appropriate.
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Tyrone Johnson
I would suggest having your loan officer read the actual Comment 2 to Section 9-108 in full context. It specifically states that descriptions like 'all equipment' are sufficient. The comment is trying to clarify that you don't need exhaustive detail, not require it.
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KylieRose
•That's a good idea. Maybe if they see the full comment context they'll understand that their interpretation is backwards.
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Ingrid Larsson
•Sometimes people just read one sentence from a comment and miss the broader point. The Article 9 comments generally favor practical, workable descriptions over legal puzzles.
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Carlos Mendoza
Been dealing with this exact issue for years. The Article 9 comments are meant to help practitioners understand the law, not create additional hurdles. Your collateral description should identify the collateral reasonably, but it doesn't need to be a detailed inventory list.
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Zainab Mahmoud
•Do you think there's a way to satisfy both the loan officer's concerns and the practical filing requirements?
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Carlos Mendoza
•You could include a general equipment description with a note that it includes replacements and additions. That covers the practical concerns while showing you've thought about specificity.
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Ava Williams
•That's a good compromise approach. Shows attention to detail without creating the problems that come with overly specific descriptions.
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Raj Gupta
Just went through something similar with a client who was convinced the Article 9 comments required specific collateral descriptions. We ended up using Certana.ai's verification tool to check our UCC-1 against the actual requirements. The tool showed that our broader description was compliant, which helped convince the client that the comments weren't creating additional requirements.
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Lena Müller
•That sounds like a useful tool for these situations where there's disagreement about what the law actually requires versus what people think it requires.
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Raj Gupta
•Exactly. It's helpful to have an objective analysis of whether your filing meets the actual legal requirements, especially when people are interpreting comments differently.
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TechNinja
The real issue here is that Article 9 comments are explanatory, not prescriptive. They're meant to help understand the statute, not add new requirements. Your loan officer is probably well-intentioned but confused about the relationship between the statutory text and the comments.
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KylieRose
•That makes sense. Is there a good way to explain this distinction to someone who's not familiar with how UCC comments work?
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TechNinja
•I usually explain that comments are like study notes - they help you understand the material but they're not the test questions. The statute is what matters for filing purposes.
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Keisha Thompson
•That's a great analogy. The comments illuminate the statute but don't create separate obligations.
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Paolo Bianchi
This is why I always recommend reading Article 9 comments in full context, not just isolated sentences. The comments to 9-108 actually support flexible collateral descriptions that work in practice, not rigid lists that cause problems when circumstances change.
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Yara Assad
•Good point. People sometimes cherry-pick sentences from comments without understanding the overall guidance.
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Paolo Bianchi
•Exactly. The Article 9 drafters wanted a system that works in the real world, not one that creates traps for the unwary.
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Olivia Clark
Look, I've been doing UCC filings for 15 years and I can tell you that following Article 9 comments too literally will cause more problems than it solves. The comments are guidance, not requirements. Your filing service knows what works in practice - trust their experience over someone's theoretical interpretation of comment language.
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KylieRose
•That's reassuring to hear from someone with your experience. I was starting to second-guess our filing service's advice.
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Olivia Clark
•Don't second-guess practical experience based on theoretical interpretations. The comments support workable solutions, not filing puzzles.
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Javier Morales
•This is such good advice. Experience matters more than someone's creative reading of comment language.
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Ahooker-Equator
I've encountered this exact scenario multiple times, and it's usually a misunderstanding of how Article 9 comments function. The comments to Section 9-108 actually emphasize that collateral descriptions should be practical and functional, not exhaustively detailed. When the comment mentions "adequacy," it's setting a minimum threshold, not requiring maximum specificity. For equipment financing, a description like "all equipment now owned or hereafter acquired" is typically sufficient and preferred because it covers replacements and additions automatically. Serial numbers can actually create problems if equipment gets upgraded or replaced during the loan term. I'd suggest showing your loan officer the full text of Comment 2 to Section 9-108, which explicitly states that descriptions like "all equipment" are adequate. The comments support flexibility, not rigid specificity.
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Liam Fitzgerald
•This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation that helps clarify the confusion! I'm going to print out Comment 2 to Section 9-108 and highlight the "all equipment" language to show the loan officer. It's frustrating when good intentions lead to overthinking requirements that don't actually exist. Thanks for the practical guidance - this gives me the confidence to push back on the serial number requirement.
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Sofia Price
As someone who's dealt with this same confusion before, I'd recommend creating a simple comparison document for your loan officer. On one side, show the actual statutory language from UCC 9-108(a) which just requires that the description "reasonably identifies" the collateral. On the other side, show Comment 2 which explicitly says "all equipment" satisfies this standard. The comment isn't adding requirements - it's actually clarifying that you don't need excessive detail. I've found that when loan officers see this side-by-side comparison, they realize the comments are making their job easier, not harder. For your manufacturing client's equipment, something like "all equipment, machinery, and fixtures now owned or hereafter acquired" will protect the security interest much better than a list of serial numbers that becomes outdated when equipment gets replaced or upgraded.
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