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Carter Holmes

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Bottom line - make sure your liquidated damages clause serves a legitimate business purpose and isn't just trying to scare the debtor into compliance. Courts can smell penalty clauses from a mile away.

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This is the key point. The clause has to be about compensation for actual anticipated harm, not punishment for breach.

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Admin_Masters

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How do you prove 'legitimate business purpose' though? Just through documentation or do you need expert testimony?

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Mateo Sanchez

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Thanks for all the detailed responses everyone! This is really helpful. Based on what I'm reading, it sounds like the key is ensuring our liquidated damages amount is genuinely compensatory rather than punitive. For our $850K equipment deal, I'm thinking we should calculate based on actual projected costs like remarketing expenses, storage, administrative overhead, and expected depreciation during the disposition process. Would it make sense to cap it at something like 15-20% of the original loan amount, or should we focus more on documenting our cost projections regardless of percentage? Also planning to use that Certana.ai tool a few of you mentioned to verify consistency between our security agreement and UCC-1 filing.

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Malik Jenkins

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I'm dealing with a similar issue right now with my Tesla solar loan through a different lender. The frustrating part is that these solar companies often use third-party financing partners who aren't familiar with proper UCC filing procedures. What I learned is that you should also check if your original UCC-1 has any amendments filed against it - sometimes there are UCC-5 correction statements that change the debtor information, and the termination needs to reference the most recent version. Also, since you mentioned your refi rate lock expires next week, you might want to ask your title company if they'd accept a letter of commitment from Mosaic stating they will correct and refile the UCC-3 within a specific timeframe. Some title companies will work with you on tight deadlines if you can show good faith efforts to resolve the issue.

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Emma Wilson

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Great advice about checking for UCC-5 amendments! I hadn't thought about that possibility. The letter of commitment idea is brilliant too - definitely worth asking the title company if they'd accept that as a temporary solution while the filing gets corrected. Time is really tight with the rate lock expiring, so any flexibility from the title company would be a lifesaver.

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Zoe Stavros

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I just went through this exact nightmare with my SunPower financing last month! The name discrepancy is absolutely what's causing your UCC-3 termination to bounce back - I had the same issue where the original filing showed "Robert J. Thompson" but the payoff docs had "Robert Thompson" without the middle initial. What finally worked for me was getting a certified copy of the original UCC-1 from the Secretary of State office (cost $15 in my state) and then emailing that directly to the financing company's UCC compliance department along with a written request to refile using the EXACT debtor name format. Also, ask them to provide you with the rejection notice from the state - it'll confirm the specific reason for the bounce-back. Since your rate lock expires next week, I'd also suggest calling your title company to see if they'll accept a commitment letter from Mosaic guaranteeing the corrected filing within 72 hours. Some underwriters will work with you on time-sensitive deals if you can show documented progress toward resolution.

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Nia Wilson

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Just to add one more perspective - if this is SBA financing, they have specific requirements about UCC filings that might influence your decision. SBA typically requires UCC-1 filings for all personal property collateral regardless of how it might be classified by state law. Worth checking if SBA is involved in your deal.

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Good catch on the SBA angle. Their requirements can override some of the state law analysis.

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Aisha Hussain

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SBA also has specific collateral description requirements that can be pretty detailed. Definitely worth checking their guidelines.

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Callum Savage

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This is a great discussion - I'm dealing with something similar on a manufacturing deal right now. One thing I'd add is to consider the priority implications too. UCC-1 filings generally give you priority from the filing date, while fixture filings can sometimes relate back to construction financing if there's a fixture filing on record. Also, don't forget about purchase money security interests - if any of this equipment was recently acquired with financing, you might have PMSI priority that affects your filing strategy. The key is making sure your security agreement clearly identifies which collateral is being treated as fixtures versus personal property so there's no ambiguity later.

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Great point about PMSI priority! That's something that often gets overlooked in these complex collateral discussions. The timing of equipment acquisition and financing can really impact your filing strategy. For recently purchased equipment, the PMSI grace period might give you priority even over earlier filed security interests, but you have to get the filings right within the statutory timeframe.

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Liam Sullivan

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Quick follow-up question - does anyone know if experimental aircraft follow the same UCC rules? I have a client with a kit-built plane that doesn't have standard registration.

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Amara Okafor

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Experimental aircraft still get N-numbers from the FAA, so UCC filing should be similar. The airworthiness certificate is different but that shouldn't affect your security interest.

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Kit planes can be tricky for valuation and insurance but the UCC perfection is straightforward if it has proper FAA registration.

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NebulaNomad

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Great discussion here! I've handled several aircraft UCC filings and want to emphasize the importance of getting both the collateral description AND the debtor name exactly right. For a $285K Cessna deal, I'd recommend: 1) Use the exact N-number from the FAA registry, 2) Include make, model, year, and aircraft serial number, 3) Triple-check the LLC name matches state records exactly (including punctuation), 4) Don't forget the parallel FAA security interest filing in Oklahoma City, and 5) Set up your continuation reminder system immediately. The dual filing requirement trips up a lot of people - you need both UCC perfection AND FAA registration to be fully protected. Also consider doing a comprehensive UCC search first to identify any existing liens that need to be satisfied or subordinated.

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Ava Martinez

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This is such a helpful summary! As someone new to aircraft financing, I'm curious about the timeline coordination between UCC and FAA filings. Should they be done simultaneously or is there a preferred sequence? Also, when you mention "comprehensive UCC search," are you looking at both the debtor's current state and the aircraft's physical location state, or just where the debtor is organized?

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Avery Saint

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Update us when you get the certified copy! Always curious how smooth these processes actually are in practice vs what the state websites promise.

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Lucy Lam

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Will do! Hopefully it's as straightforward as everyone says.

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Taylor Chen

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Delaware usually delivers on their promises. Much better than trying to get records from some other states I could mention...

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Jamal Carter

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Just went through this exact same process last month in Delaware! The online portal is actually really user-friendly once you find it. One tip - when you're entering the filing number, make sure you include any leading zeros if they're shown on your printout. The system can be picky about the exact format. Also, if you're ordering multiple certified copies (which might be smart if you have other lenders or need extras for your files), there's usually a bulk discount. Took about 4 business days to get mine delivered via regular mail.

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That's really helpful about the leading zeros! I wouldn't have thought of that. Quick question - did you notice any differences between what the state had on file versus what your original lender's records showed? I'm a bit worried there might be discrepancies since our bank couldn't even find their original copy.

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@Oliver Zimmermann Great question! In my case, everything matched up perfectly between the state records and what our lender had. But I ve'heard stories where there were small differences - sometimes it s'just formatting like (how dates are displayed or) minor typos that happened during the original filing. The state record is always the official version, so if there are discrepancies, that s'what matters legally. Since your bank lost their copy, you might want to compare the certified copy you get with that printout they gave you, just to make sure everything aligns before you submit to your new lender.

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