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What are the two types of unemployment problems - Washington ESD classification question

I'm trying to understand how Washington ESD categorizes unemployment issues for my claim that's been stuck for weeks. My case worker mentioned something about there being two main types of unemployment problems but I didn't write it down and now I can't remember exactly what she said. Does anyone know what the two main categories are? I think one was about eligibility and the other was something else but I'm not sure. This is important because I need to know which type my situation falls under to figure out next steps.

From my experience dealing with Washington ESD, they typically classify unemployment issues into two broad categories: eligibility issues and payment issues. Eligibility problems include things like work separation reasons, availability for work, job search requirements, and whether you qualify for benefits at all. Payment issues are usually about processing delays, incorrect benefit amounts, overpayments, or technical problems with weekly claims.

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That makes sense! I think my issue is probably eligibility related since they're questioning my job separation. Thanks for clarifying.

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Yeah that's pretty much how they break it down. Most of the time when people get stuck in adjudication it's eligibility stuff they're reviewing.

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Actually I think there might be more nuance to it than just those two categories. When I called Washington ESD they mentioned monetary vs non-monetary determinations which seems like a different way of looking at it. Monetary is about your benefit amount and non-monetary is about whether you can receive benefits at all.

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You're right, that's another way they classify things! Monetary determinations deal with your benefit calculation and non-monetary deal with disqualification issues.

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So many different ways to categorize this stuff, no wonder I was confused about what the caseworker meant.

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Ugh I've been trying to get through to Washington ESD for three weeks about my claim issue and can never reach anyone. The phone system is impossible. Has anyone found a way to actually talk to a real person there?

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speaking from experience the two main types are usually about WHY you lost your job vs HOW much money you should get. if you got fired or quit thats one type of problem, if your benefit amount is wrong thats another type

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That's a really simple way to think about it, thanks. Mine is definitely the first type since they're reviewing why I left my last job.

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Yeah that's basically it. Job separation issues vs benefit calculation issues.

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I think what your caseworker meant was probably separation issues vs ongoing eligibility issues. Separation is about why you left your last job (quit, fired, laid off) and ongoing eligibility is about things like being able and available for work, doing your job search, etc.

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Oh that could be it too! There are so many ways to break this down. I should have asked for clarification when I had the chance.

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Don't beat yourself up about it. The Washington ESD system is confusing even for people who work with it regularly.

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From what I've seen in my appeals work, Washington ESD generally looks at two things: 1) Are you eligible for unemployment benefits at all? and 2) If eligible, are you maintaining that eligibility week by week? The first covers initial qualification and job separation. The second covers ongoing requirements like job search, reporting work, being available.

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That's really helpful context. I think my issue falls under the first category since they're still determining my initial eligibility.

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Appeals work? Are you a lawyer or something? That's some detailed knowledge right there.

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Not a lawyer but I help people with unemployment appeals as part of my job at a non-profit. See this stuff all the time unfortunately.

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The Washington ESD website actually has some info about this if you dig around. They talk about initial claims vs continuing claims which is kind of the same distinction. Initial is establishing your right to benefits, continuing is maintaining that right.

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I should spend more time on their website. I usually just log in to file my weekly claim and leave.

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Their website is actually pretty decent once you figure out where everything is. Way better than trying to call them.

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honestly the washington esd system is so messed up i dont think they even know how to categorize problems properly. ive been dealing with them for months and get different answers every time i talk to someone

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I feel you on that. The inconsistency is maddening. One agent tells you one thing, the next tells you something completely different.

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That's what I'm worried about. I want to make sure I understand the system before I talk to them again.

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To answer your original question more directly - yes there are generally two main types of unemployment problems: qualification issues (did you earn enough, why did you leave your job, are you able to work) and compliance issues (are you doing job search, reporting earnings, filing on time). Everything else falls under one of those umbrellas.

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Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thank you! Now I can figure out which category my situation fits into.

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That's a clean way to break it down. Much clearer than all the different terminology they use.

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Just want to add that timing matters too with these categories. Some problems can only be fixed during certain windows, especially if you need to appeal a determination. Don't wait too long to address whatever type of problem you have.

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Good point about timing. I definitely don't want to miss any deadlines while I'm trying to figure this out.

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Yeah appeal deadlines are usually pretty tight. I think it's like 30 days for most determinations.

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This thread has been super helpful! I was confused about the same thing when dealing with my own Washington ESD issues. Glad to see I'm not the only one who finds their system confusing.

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Right? It's nice to know other people struggle with understanding how they categorize everything too.

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The terminology is definitely not user-friendly. They could make it so much clearer for people who are already stressed about being unemployed.

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