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Sebastián Stevens

Overturned ESD overpayment waiver denial - no longer owe $7,200!

Just got the most incredible news today - my ESD overpayment waiver denial was OVERTURNED! After fighting this for nearly 2 years, the administrative judge ruled I was not at fault and I DO NOT have to repay the $7,200 they were demanding back. I honestly can't believe it's real - I keep refreshing the OAH participant portal to make sure I'm not hallucinating the decision. This entire process has been absolute hell. The stress caused my blood pressure to skyrocket, I developed anxiety, and honestly felt like I was drowning. ESD just kept sending threatening letters about garnishing wages and taking my tax refunds. For anyone still fighting - DO NOT GIVE UP! It feels impossible when you're facing this giant bureaucratic machine, but persistence is key. The Unemployment Law Project was my saving grace - they provided pro bono representation for my phone hearing last week when I couldn't afford an attorney. Has anyone else successfully fought an overpayment? Any advice for others in this nightmare situation? My hands are still shaking as I type this...

Congratulations! This is fantastic news and a perfect example of why appealing these decisions is so important. In my experience working with unemployment claims, ESD often makes errors in their initial determinations, especially regarding overpayments. For anyone facing a similar situation, here are the key steps: 1. Always request a waiver immediately if you believe you were not at fault 2. File your appeal within 30 days (this deadline is strict!) 3. Gather ALL documentation showing you reported correctly 4. Contact the Unemployment Law Project for assistance 5. Prepare thoroughly for your hearing - be organized and concise The most common reason people win these cases is by demonstrating they provided accurate information to ESD and any overpayment resulted from the department's error rather than claimant fraud or misrepresentation.

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Thank you for breaking it down like this! Yes, in my case they initially denied my waiver saying I should have 'known' I wasn't eligible, but at the hearing we showed all my communications with ESD where they literally told me I qualified. The judge specifically noted in his decision that I had been 'transparent and forthcoming' throughout the process. Such a relief!

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OMG congrats!!!! im fighting mine right now too. they say i owe $4800 but i swear i reported everything right!!! how long did the whole process take from when u first appealed? im so stressed about this i cant even sleep 😭😭😭

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The entire process took about 22 months from start to finish. First appeal was 3 months, then the redetermination took 4 months, then the second appeal was another 6 months, then scheduling the hearing took another 5 months, and finally getting the decision was about 4 weeks after the hearing. It's SLOW and that's part of what makes it so stressful. Hang in there!

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The system is DESIGNED to make you give up. ESD knows most people will just start paying when threatened with collections because fighting it takes so much time and energy. I got hit with a $9,400 overpayment last year and I've been battling them every step. Still waiting for my hearing date. Can I ask what specific evidence helped win your case? Did you submit screen shots of your weekly claim filings? Or was it more about the communications where they told you that you qualified?

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You're absolutely right about them counting on people giving up! The evidence that seemed to make the biggest difference was: 1. Screenshots of ALL my weekly certifications where I reported everything correctly 2. Email exchanges with ESD agents who confirmed my eligibility 3. Their own internal notes (requested through a records request) showing confusion about my case 4. Timeline showing THEY took 8 months to identify the supposed issue The judge actually seemed irritated with how ESD handled everything. Definitely request all your records!

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If anyone else is dealing with this, I highly recommend using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to actually get through to ESD on the phone. I was trying for WEEKS to talk to someone about my overpayment notice and kept getting disconnected. Claimyr got me through in about 25 minutes and I was able to discuss my case with a claims specialist who identified the error in my file. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 It was absolutely worth it to get actual answers instead of automated messages. The claims specialist was able to flag my account for review, which helped when I later filed my appeal.

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omg thank u for this!!!! ive been calling for 3 days straight and just get the stupid message saying call volume is 2 high. gonna try this tomorrow!!!

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congrats man but dont get 2 excited yet. i won my hearing back in november and then ESD filed their OWN appeal to reverse it! can u believe that BS? make sure u watch ur mail for the next 30 days to see if they try to appeal your judge's decision.

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Oh no, are you serious?? I didn't even know they could appeal the judge's decision! That's completely unfair. Did you end up getting representation for their appeal? What happened in your case? Now I'm worried all over again...

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I want to clarify something important: ESD can appeal an Administrative Law Judge's decision to the Commissioner's Review Office within 30 days. However, this is relatively rare for waiver cases where the judge found the claimant was without fault. In most cases, when an ALJ makes a clear finding of fact that the claimant provided all required information correctly, the Commissioner's Review Office tends to uphold that decision. The standard for overturning an ALJ's factual findings is quite high. To protect yourself, keep checking your online portal AND your mail for any notices about a Commissioner's Review. If you do receive notice of an ESD appeal, contact the Unemployment Law Project again immediately.

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Thank you for explaining this! That helps ease my mind a bit. The judge's decision was very clear that I had been truthful in all my reporting. I'll definitely keep checking both my mail and portal over the next month just to be safe. The ULP attorney said they'd represent me if needed for any further appeals, which is reassuring.

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Wow what a relief that must be! I'm curious what made them come after you for overpayment in the first place? Was it a standby status issue or something about job search requirements? I'm currently collecting and paranoid about making mistakes that could come back to haunt me later.

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In my case, it was about eligibility during a period when I was working reduced hours. I reported all my earnings correctly every week, but ESD later claimed I wasn't eligible during that period because I was still technically "employed" even though my hours were cut by 70%. The judge ultimately ruled that I followed all instructions correctly and any confusion was caused by ESD's unclear guidance at the time. My advice is to save EVERYTHING - screenshots of your weekly claim submissions, any emails or letters from ESD, and notes about any phone calls (date, time, who you spoke with, what they told you). Documentation saved me!

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Your experience mirrors mine almost exactly! I also won my overpayment appeal last month after a 14-month battle. The most frustrating part was that during the hearing, it became obvious that the ESD representative hadn't even fully reviewed my file before denying my waiver request. The judge actually commented on this during the hearing. One thing that really helped my case was having detailed records of every single interaction with ESD - phone calls (dates, times, names of representatives), copies of all correspondence, and screenshots of my weekly claim certifications showing I had reported everything correctly. For anyone facing an overpayment notice, document EVERYTHING from the very beginning. Even if you think something isn't important, save it. You never know what might end up being the key piece of evidence that saves you thousands of dollars.

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That's exactly what happened in my hearing too! The ESD rep kept fumbling through papers and clearly didn't understand my case history. At one point, they even referenced information from someone else's file! The judge had to correct them multiple times. It was both validating and infuriating to realize how carelessly they had handled something that caused me so much stress and anxiety.

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Anyone else notice how ESD is suddenly finding all these "overpayments" right when the state budget is tight? Seems mighty convenient they're trying to claw back money from thousands of people who followed their instructions during the pandemic. I've talked to so many people dealing with this exact same issue! I'm glad you won your case but it's CRIMINAL that you had to fight for 2 YEARS and deal with health problems because of their incompetence. They should be paying YOU for all the stress and time wasted fighting their mistake!

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omg i was thinking the same thing!!! seems like everyone i kno is getting these notices all of a sudden. my neighbor got one for $12k!!! how r regular ppl supposed to pay that back???

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