No-show employer at my ESD appeal hearing - guaranteed win?
So I've got my appeal hearing with OAH scheduled next Tuesday at 2pm. My former employer contested my ESD claim saying I was fired for misconduct (totally untrue - they were just looking for reasons to let people go during slow season). My question is simple: I heard from a coworker who went through this that if the employer doesn't show up to the hearing, I automatically win the appeal. Is this actually true? The stress is killing me because I've been waiting almost 8 weeks with no benefits while in adjudication, and I really need to know my chances. Has anyone had experience with employer no-shows at OAH hearings?
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Dylan Wright
its not a automatic win but it helps ALOT!! my boss didnt show up to mine last year and i won but the judge still asked me tons of ?s about what happened. they need to prove misconduct and if nobody is there to say u did something wrong its hard for them to deny u. good luck!!!
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•Thanks! That's a relief to hear. Did they ask you any surprising questions? I'm trying to prepare but I'm so nervous about saying the wrong thing.
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Sofia Torres
I'm an employment attorney and I can clarify this. It's not an automatic win if your employer doesn't attend, but it significantly improves your chances. The burden of proof for misconduct is on the employer. If they don't appear, they can't present evidence against you. However, the judge will still thoroughly question you about your separation from employment. Make sure you: 1. Be honest about all details of your separation 2. Bring any documentation that supports your version of events 3. Be prepared to explain why your actions didn't constitute misconduct 4. Answer questions directly and concisely The judge may also have access to any documents your employer previously submitted to ESD, so be prepared to address those.
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GalacticGuardian
•THIS IS WRONG! I know someone who lost even when employer didn't show up! The decision was based on the written statement the employer had already submitted to ESD before the hearing. Don't get your hopes up too much.
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Sofia Torres
•You're partially correct - that absolutely can happen. As I mentioned, the judge will have access to previously submitted documents. However, without the employer present to testify and be cross-examined, those documents may be given less weight. The claimant still has an opportunity to rebut those statements, which is much easier without the employer present to defend their position.
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Dmitry Smirnov
I went through this exact situation in February! My employer didn't show up and I was so relieved thinking it would be easy, but the judge had printed out all the emails between me and my manager that the company had submitted. It was still helpful they weren't there because I could explain everything without being interrupted or contradicted. I won my appeal and got backpay for 11 weeks which was almost $7,800. Just be super prepared with dates and details about what happened!
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•That's so helpful, thank you! Did you bring any documents or evidence with you? I have some performance reviews that show I was meeting expectations.
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Dmitry Smirnov
•Yes! Bring EVERYTHING - performance reviews, emails, texts, anything that shows you were a good employee. I brought screenshots of texts with my boss that contradicted what they claimed in their statement to ESD. The judge seemed really impressed that I was so prepared.
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Ava Rodriguez
I had my hearing last month and was freaking out because I couldn't get straight answers from ESD about how to prepare. I finally got through to an actual claims specialist after using Claimyr (claimyr.com) - they got me connected to ESD in about 25 minutes when I'd been trying for days. The agent walked me through exactly what to expect at the hearing and how to prepare. You can see how their system works in this video: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 Anyway, in my hearing the employer DID show up and I still won because they couldn't prove misconduct. Just be honest and consistent with your story.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•Thanks for the tip! I've been trying to call ESD for days with no luck. It's so frustrating. I'll check out that service - at this point I'm desperate to talk to someone who can give me clear guidance before my hearing.
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Miguel Diaz
I've been through three different ESD appeals over the years (layoffs in construction are fun!). Here's what I've learned about no-show employers: 1. It's NOT automatic, but it's a huge advantage 2. The judge has to make their decision based on available evidence 3. The burden of proof for misconduct is on the employer 4. The judge will still thoroughly question you 5. Your testimony becomes the primary evidence if employer isn't there Some practical advice: Dress professionally, address the judge respectfully, bring 3 copies of any documents (one for you, judge, and would-be employer), and stick to facts rather than emotions. Don't badmouth your former employer - that never looks good.
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Zainab Ahmed
•this is all good advice but i would add BE ON TIME OR EARLY!! my friend was 5 minutes late and the judge was super annoyed the whole time. also make sure you have good phone reception if its a phone hearing!!
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GalacticGuardian
The system is RIGGED! I had a hearing where my employer didn't show up and I STILL LOST because the judge said the written statement they provided before the hearing was enough!!! They claimed I was consistently late but didn't provide ANY proof, yet somehow that was enough. I appealed to the Commissioner and waited ANOTHER 12 WEEKS only to get denied again. Don't trust that you'll win just because they don't show up!
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Miguel Diaz
•That's really unusual. In most cases I've seen, without the employer present to authenticate documents or testify, their written statements carry less weight. Were there other factors in your case? Did you have any documentation to counter their claims about tardiness?
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GalacticGuardian
•I had explanations for the few times I was late (medical appointments, car trouble) but no actual proof. The judge said my "pattern of behavior" showed I wasn't reliable even though they only documented 3 late arrivals in 6 months! The whole system is designed to side with employers.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
Update: I had my hearing yesterday and my employer didn't show up! The judge was really thorough though and asked me a ton of questions about the circumstances of my termination. They had the written statement from my employer claiming I ignored safety protocols, but I was able to explain that I'd actually requested additional training on the new procedures multiple times (and had emails to prove it). The judge seemed pretty receptive, but said I'll get the decision in 7-10 days. Fingers crossed!
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Dylan Wright
•sounds like it went good!! the emails proving u asked for training is HUGE. that shows u were trying to follow the rules not break them. i bet u win!!
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Miguel Diaz
•This sounds very promising. By providing documentation that contradicts their claim and showing you were proactive about following procedures, you've effectively countered their misconduct argument. The fact they didn't show up to defend their position or cross-examine you is definitely in your favor. Keep us posted on the outcome!
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Fatima Al-Farsi
Final update: I WON MY APPEAL!!! The decision came in the mail today - the judge ruled that my employer failed to establish that my actions constituted misconduct as defined under Washington unemployment law. I'll be getting backpay for all 10 weeks I've been waiting (about $6,240). Thank you all so much for your advice and support. For anyone else going through this, definitely bring all documentation and be prepared to clearly explain your side even if the employer doesn't show up.
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Dmitry Smirnov
•CONGRATS!!! Such a relief, right? Now you can breathe again. Did they say how long until you actually get the backpay? For me it took about 5 business days after the decision.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•Thanks! The letter says 3-5 business days for processing, then the payment should be released to my direct deposit. Such a weight off my shoulders!
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