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ESD Appeal Hearing Friday - How to Win After Taking Severance Instead of PIP?

Hi everyone, I'm really nervous about my ESD appeal hearing this Friday and could use some advice. Back in May, my employer gave me two options: accept a severance package or go through a Performance Improvement Plan (PIP). I chose the severance since I'd been struggling with severe anxiety and depression throughout the past year, which affected my work performance. ESD denied my initial claim saying I voluntarily quit without good cause, but I don't think that's fair given my mental health situation. I had been seeing a therapist through my company's EAP program, but I'm not sure if that's enough evidence. Has anyone successfully won an appeal in a similar situation? What kind of documentation should I present? Should I emphasize that the PIP wasn't really a viable option for me given my mental health? Any advice would be so appreciated!

I was in a very similar situation last year! Make sure you get a letter from your therapist explicitly stating how your mental health condition affected your ability to perform your job functions and why taking the severance instead of PIP was medically necessary. The OAH judge will be looking for a direct connection between your medical condition and why you couldn't continue employment. Also bring any documentation from your employer about the PIP requirements to show it would have been unreasonable given your condition. When I appealed, I also brought my prescription medication history to show I was being treated for anxiety before the separation occurred. Good luck!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I'll definitely reach out to my therapist for a letter. Did you have a lawyer or did you represent yourself? I'm worried I'll get too anxious during the hearing and forget important points.

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Ur gonna need more than just a therapist letter tbh. ESD is BRUTAL with voluntary quits. They basically think everyone who takes severance is trying to double dip with unemployment + severance $$$. Did u tell your employer about your mental health BEFORE they gave u the PIP option?? Thats super important!!

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Yes, my direct manager knew I was struggling - I had to take several mental health days in the months leading up to this. But I didn't formally request accommodations through HR if that's what you mean. Do you think that will be a problem?

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I had my appeal hearing in March for a similar situation (though mine was related to a physical health condition). Here's what you absolutely need to have for Friday: 1. Medical documentation dated BEFORE you accepted severance showing your condition 2. Evidence that your employer knew about your condition prior to offering the PIP/severance option 3. A letter from your healthcare provider explaining why the PIP wouldn't have been reasonable with your condition 4. Any performance reviews or documentation showing your work was satisfactory BEFORE your health declined The judge will be looking to determine if you had "good cause" to leave employment. Mental health can qualify as good cause, but you need to show you tried to preserve your employment before accepting severance. Also, prepare a clear timeline of events to present.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I do have emails where I discussed my condition with my manager, but I'm worried because my last performance review (3 months before severance) already showed some declining metrics. Should I address that directly or focus more on how my condition worsened after that review?

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i heard its super hard to get thru to ESD to ask questions before appeals. you might be stuck on hold for hours trying to get any info. so frustrating

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MAKE SURE YOU PREPARE!!! My appeal was a disaster because I wasn't ready for the judge's questions. They will ask you very specific things like: - Exactly when did you first seek treatment? - Did you request workplace accommodations? - Why couldn't you attempt the PIP? - Was there any option besides quitting? They don't care about general statements about your condition. They need SPECIFIC evidence that connects your condition to why continuing work was impossible. If your manager testifies, they might contradict your version of events, so be ready for that.

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This is making me really nervous... My company is sending their HR rep to the hearing. I'm worried they'll say I could have tried the PIP first. Should I bring up that my manager had made comments suggesting the PIP was just a formality before letting me go?

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I won my appeal after taking severance instead of a demotion due to health issues. The key factor was proving that I had no reasonable alternative. For your case: 1. Document exactly how your depression/anxiety symptoms made it impossible to successfully complete a PIP 2. Get your medical provider to specifically state this in their letter 3. Bring any emails/texts showing you discussed your condition with your employer 4. Be prepared to explain why you didn't request accommodations instead One thing that really helped me: I organized a binder with dividers and labeled all my evidence clearly. The judge appreciated how organized I was and could quickly find what they needed. Also, practice your opening statement explaining your situation clearly and concisely.

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The binder idea is brilliant! I'll definitely do that. For your appeal, did you emphasize the medical aspects more or the work circumstances? I'm trying to find the right balance.

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One more crucial thing - make sure you actually attend the hearing and arrive early! Sounds obvious but I've heard of people missing their appeal times and automatically losing. Set multiple alarms if it's a phone hearing. If it's in person, scope out the location the day before if possible. Also, speak clearly and address the judge respectfully ("Your Honor" is appropriate). First impressions matter a lot in these hearings.

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It's a phone hearing, and they said to be ready 30 minutes before the scheduled time. I'll definitely set multiple alarms! Do you think it matters if I mention that part of my severance has already been paid out? Or should I not bring that up unless specifically asked?

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my cousin got denied twice even with doctors notes so dont get your hopes up tbh. the system is rigged against workers

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While it's true that these cases can be challenging, each case is different. The key is having the right documentation and presenting it effectively. I've seen people win appeals with proper preparation, even in voluntary quit cases involving mental health. The judge will be looking for specific elements that establish good cause, not just general statements about being unwell.

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How's your appeal preparation coming along? You have about 48 hours to get everything in order. Here's my final advice based on helping several people through this process: 1. Make 3 copies of everything (one for you, one for the judge, one for employer's rep) 2. Write out answers to likely questions so you don't freeze up 3. Be honest but strategic - focus on how your condition made continuing employment impossible 4. If you stumble or get confused during questioning, it's okay to ask for a moment to collect your thoughts 5. Stick to facts rather than emotions when describing your situation One more thing - if your condition might make it difficult to participate fully in the hearing, you can request reasonable accommodations for the hearing itself. Let us know how it goes on Friday!

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Thank you so much! I've been working on gathering everything. My therapist sent over a detailed letter explaining how my condition affected my work and why taking on a high-pressure PIP would have been detrimental to my health. I've also found emails showing I discussed my mental health with my manager months before the severance option. I'm feeling a bit more prepared now, though still nervous. I'll definitely update after the hearing on Friday.

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