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Do I need Washington ESD unemployment insurance if I have no employees?

I'm starting a small business in Washington and wondering about unemployment insurance requirements. Right now it's just me - no employees at all. Do I still need to register with Washington ESD for unemployment insurance coverage? I've been getting conflicting information online and want to make sure I'm not missing any legal requirements. Also wondering if this affects me personally in terms of being able to collect UI benefits later if my business doesn't work out.

If you have no employees, you typically don't need to register for Washington ESD unemployment insurance as an employer. The requirement kicks in when you start hiring people. However, as a business owner, you generally can't collect unemployment benefits yourself unless you were paying into the system as both employer and employee, which gets complicated.

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Thanks for the quick response! So I'm clear until I hire someone?

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Exactly. Once you hire your first employee, you'll need to register with Washington ESD and start paying unemployment taxes.

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wait im confused about this too... i thought all businesses had to pay unemployment insurance?

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No, it's only when you have employees. Sole proprietors without employees don't have unemployment insurance obligations.

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I went through this same situation last year! You don't need to worry about Washington ESD registration until you hire someone. But here's what I learned the hard way - if your business fails and you need to look for regular employment, you can't just immediately collect unemployment benefits because you weren't paying into the system as an employee. Had to deal with Washington ESD for weeks trying to figure out my eligibility.

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Oh wow, that's exactly what I was worried about. How did you eventually handle the Washington ESD situation?

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Just echoing what others said - solo business owner here for 3 years, never had to deal with Washington ESD unemployment stuff until I hired my first part-timer last month.

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Good to know I'm not the only one figuring this out!

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One thing to add - even though you don't need unemployment insurance now, you should still be aware of other business registration requirements with the state. Don't confuse unemployment insurance with other business licenses or tax obligations.

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Yeah I've got the business license stuff sorted out, was just confused about the unemployment piece specifically.

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Smart to ask! I made the mistake of not researching this stuff properly when I started my business.

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THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO CONFUSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS! Why can't Washington ESD make this clearer on their website???

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lol true though, their website is pretty confusing

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The information is there if you know where to look, but I agree it could be more straightforward.

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Quick question - what if you're a sole proprietor but you hire independent contractors? Does that change anything with Washington ESD requirements?

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Independent contractors don't count as employees for unemployment insurance purposes, so you still wouldn't need to register with Washington ESD. Just make sure they're properly classified as contractors and not employees.

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Perfect, that's what I thought but wanted to double check.

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I had a similar question when I was freelancing - ended up calling Washington ESD directly but spent like 2 hours on hold. Definitely wish I'd known about better ways to reach them back then.

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Yeah the hold times are brutal. That's why I ended up using Claimyr when I had my eligibility issues. Much faster than trying to get through on the phone normally.

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Thanks everyone! Sounds like I'm good for now and just need to remember to register with Washington ESD once I hire my first actual employee. Really appreciate all the insights.

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You got it! And when you do hire someone, don't forget you'll need to report wages quarterly and pay the unemployment taxes.

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Yep, the quarterly reporting is pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it.

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This thread was helpful for me too - I'm in the same boat with my consulting business. Good to know I don't need to worry about Washington ESD stuff yet.

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same here, was wondering about this exact thing

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Just to clarify one more time for anyone reading - Washington state unemployment insurance is only required when you have employees on payroll. Self-employed individuals without employees have no obligation to register or pay into the system.

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Thanks for the clear summary! Wish Washington ESD's website was this straightforward.

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Definitely appreciate the clear explanation!

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One more thing - if you do end up needing to contact Washington ESD in the future for any reason, I've heard good things about services that help you actually get through to an agent. Saw someone mention Claimyr earlier - might be worth bookmarking for later.

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Yeah, Claimyr definitely saved me a lot of time and frustration when I needed to sort out my eligibility after my business closed.

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I was skeptical at first but tried it when I couldn't get through about my adjudication issue. Actually worked pretty well.

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This is exactly the kind of practical business info I wish I'd had when starting out. Bookmarking this thread!

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Right? So much easier to get real answers from people who've been through it.

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For what it's worth, I checked with my accountant about this same question and got the same answer - no employees means no Washington ESD unemployment insurance requirements.

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Good to get professional confirmation on this stuff.

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Yeah my CPA told me the same thing when I was setting up my LLC.

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Does anyone know if this is the same in other states or just Washington? Might be moving my business to Oregon next year.

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The basic principle is similar in most states - no employees typically means no unemployment insurance obligations - but you should check Oregon's specific requirements since they can vary.

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Makes sense, thanks!

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This thread answered my question too - was worried I was missing some requirement for my home-based business. Glad to know I'm good for now.

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home based business here too, same relief lol

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Quick follow-up question - when you do hire your first employee, how long do you have to register with Washington ESD?

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You need to register within 20 days of becoming subject to the unemployment insurance law, which is basically when you hire your first employee.

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Got it, so don't wait around. Thanks!

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Appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. Makes navigating the business side of things a lot less scary when you can get real answers from real people.

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Absolutely! This community has been super helpful.

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Agreed, way better than trying to decode government websites.

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Last question - is there any benefit to voluntarily paying into unemployment insurance as a business owner even if you don't have employees?

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In Washington, business owners can't typically elect coverage for themselves under the standard unemployment insurance program. It's designed for employers to cover their employees.

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That's what I figured, but thought I'd ask. Thanks!

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This whole thread has been incredibly helpful - saved me from a lot of confusion and probably some unnecessary stress about compliance. Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge!

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Same here! Glad I asked the question.

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Happy to help! Good luck with your business ventures, everyone.

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