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Can you collect unemployment when you get fired in Washington state?

I got terminated from my warehouse job last Friday and I'm wondering if I can still apply for Washington ESD unemployment benefits. My supervisor said it was due to performance issues but I feel like they were looking for reasons to let me go. I've been working there for 8 months and never had any formal write-ups. Does getting fired automatically disqualify you from UI benefits? I really need to know before I waste time filing a claim.

Getting fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington. What matters is WHY you were fired. If it was for misconduct (like stealing, fighting, being drunk at work), then yes you'd be disqualified. But if it was for performance issues or inability to do the job, you should still qualify for benefits.

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That's helpful to know. They cited 'failure to meet productivity standards' as the reason. I was trying my best but the quotas seemed impossible to reach.

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Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct. You should definitely file a claim and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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You absolutely should file for unemployment benefits. Washington ESD will investigate the circumstances of your termination and make a decision. The burden is on your employer to prove you were fired for misconduct. 'Performance issues' typically don't rise to the level of misconduct unless you were deliberately not doing your job or violated clear company policies.

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How long does the investigation usually take? I'm worried about paying rent next month.

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It varies but can take 2-4 weeks during the adjudication process. File your claim immediately though - benefits are backdated to when you first became eligible, not when the decision is made.

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I had a similar situation last year when I got let go for 'attendance issues' even though I had legitimate medical reasons. Washington ESD approved my claim after reviewing everything. The key is being honest on your application and providing any documentation you have about the circumstances.

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Did your employer contest your claim? I'm worried they might fight it.

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They did contest it initially but I provided documentation about my medical appointments and Washington ESD sided with me. Even if they contest, you can still appeal if the initial decision goes against you.

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How does that work exactly? The Washington ESD phone lines are always busy when I try to call.

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File your claim ASAP! There's a waiting week in Washington but the sooner you file, the sooner that clock starts ticking. You can file online at secure.esd.wa.gov or over the phone. Don't let fear of being denied stop you from applying.

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Thanks, I'll start the application tonight. Better to try and get denied than not try at all.

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Exactly! And make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even while they're reviewing your case. If you're approved, you'll get paid for those weeks.

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One thing to keep in mind - if Washington ESD finds that you were fired for misconduct, you could face a disqualification period. But based on what you described (performance issues without formal warnings), that seems unlikely. Most terminations for poor performance qualify for benefits.

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What counts as misconduct exactly? I want to make sure I understand the difference.

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Misconduct is usually willful or deliberate violation of employer rules. Things like theft, insubordination, harassment, chronic tardiness after warnings. Simple inability to perform job duties isn't misconduct.

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been through this before, performance firing usually = approved claim. just be 100% honest when filling out the paperwork. dont try to make yourself look better or lie about what happened. they'll contact your employer anyway.

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Good point about being honest. I'll stick to the facts about what happened.

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Yes! Honesty is crucial. Any inconsistencies between what you say and what your employer says will just complicate things.

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The system is so messed up though, even when you qualify they make you jump through hoops. I got approved after being laid off but then had issues with my weekly claims getting processed. Took forever to get anyone on the phone at Washington ESD.

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That's exactly why I ended up using Claimyr - couldn't deal with the phone tag anymore. Sometimes you just need to talk to a real person to sort things out.

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I feel your pain. The phone system is definitely frustrating but don't give up. Your benefits are worth fighting for.

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Make sure you have all your employment info ready when you file - dates of employment, reason for separation, last day worked, final pay info. Having everything organized will make the process smoother.

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I still have my termination paperwork so I should have most of that information. Thanks for the reminder.

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Also keep records of everything - screenshot your claim, save emails, document phone calls. If there are any issues later you'll need that paper trail.

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Don't let your former employer intimidate you either. Some companies try to discourage ex-employees from filing for unemployment. You have every right to apply and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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They haven't said anything to me about unemployment yet, but good to know they can't stop me from filing.

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Exactly. And even if they contest your claim, that doesn't mean you won't get benefits. It just means there will be a hearing where both sides present their case.

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I got fired for 'not being a good fit' which was basically them saying I couldn't do the job well enough. Washington ESD approved my claim no problem. Performance-related terminations are different from misconduct terminations in their eyes.

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That sounds similar to my situation. How long did it take to get your first payment?

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About 3 weeks total including the waiting week. Would have been faster if I hadn't made a mistake on my weekly claim that required calling them to fix.

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Key thing is to file immediately. Benefits aren't retroactive before your application date. Even if you're unsure about eligibility, file now and sort it out later. Worst case scenario is they say no.

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You're right, I have nothing to lose by filing. Thanks everyone for the encouragement.

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Good luck! Most people who get fired for performance reasons end up getting approved. The system is designed to help people who lose jobs through no fault of their own.

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Also remember you'll need to do job search activities once you start receiving benefits. Washington ESD requires 3 job search activities per week. Keep good records of your applications and interviews.

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Good point, I should start applying for jobs right away anyway. Do volunteer activities count toward the job search requirement?

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Some volunteer work can count but it has to be related to gaining work experience in your field. Check the Washington ESD website for the specific guidelines.

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honestly the whole adjudication process is a pain but if you were just fired for not meeting quotas you should be fine. i've seen way worse cases get approved. the trick is just being patient while they investigate

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Patience isn't my strong suit when I'm worried about bills, but I'll try to stay calm during the process.

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I know it's stressful but try to use the time productively by job searching. Having interviews lined up will help your case if there are any questions about your work search efforts.

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One last thing - if you do get denied initially, don't panic. You have the right to appeal and request a hearing. I've seen plenty of cases where the initial denial gets overturned on appeal.

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How long do you have to file an appeal if needed?

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You have 30 days from the date of the determination letter. Don't wait until the last minute though - file as soon as you can if you disagree with their decision.

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Been following this thread and want to add that if you need help navigating the system, Claimyr really does work. I was skeptical at first but when I was stuck in adjudication limbo for weeks, they got me through to someone who could actually explain what was happening with my claim.

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Did it cost much? I'm already tight on money after losing my job.

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It's worth checking out their site at claimyr.com for details. For me it was worth it to avoid the stress of calling Washington ESD dozens of times.

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Update us on how it goes! There are probably other people in similar situations who could benefit from hearing about your experience with the process.

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Will do! I'm going to file the claim tonight and hopefully it goes smoothly. Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice.

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Good luck! Remember that getting fired for performance issues is not the same as getting fired for misconduct. You should be fine.

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Just to summarize for anyone else reading this: getting fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment benefits in Washington state. It depends on the reason. Performance issues, inability to do the job, or being 'not a good fit' typically don't count as misconduct. File your claim right away and be honest about the circumstances.

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Perfect summary! That's exactly what I needed to know. Filing my claim now.

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This whole thread has been super helpful. I'm in a similar situation and was afraid to file. Now I feel more confident about applying.

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Same here! I got let go last month for 'poor performance' and was too embarrassed to file for unemployment. After reading all this I realize I probably qualify. Better late than never I guess.

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File ASAP! You can't get benefits for weeks before you applied, so you're already missing out on potential payments.

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Yeah I'm kicking myself for waiting this long. Going to file tonight after work.

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This has been really informative. I manage people and honestly didn't realize that firing someone for performance wouldn't necessarily disqualify them from unemployment. Good to know from the employer side too.

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That's why it's important for employers to document performance issues properly and provide coaching/warnings before termination. Makes the process clearer for everyone involved.

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Absolutely. We've been working on improving our performance management processes partly for this reason.

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I went through something very similar about 6 months ago - got fired from my retail job for "not meeting sales targets" even though I was trying my best. I was really worried about applying for unemployment because I thought getting fired meant automatic disqualification. But everyone here is right - performance issues are totally different from misconduct in Washington ESD's eyes. I filed my claim and got approved within about 3 weeks. The key is to be completely honest about what happened and don't try to sugarcoat anything. They'll figure out the truth anyway when they contact your employer. My advice is definitely file immediately - you're losing money every day you wait, and based on what you described, you have a really good chance of getting approved. The worst thing that can happen is they say no, but you'll probably be fine.

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