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Keisha Taylor

Can you collect unemployment if you have a side business in Washington?

I got laid off from my main job last month but I have a small freelance graphic design business on the side that brings in maybe $200-400 a month. I'm wondering if I can still file for Washington ESD unemployment benefits or if having any kind of side business automatically disqualifies me? I've been putting off filing because I'm not sure if I need to report this income or how it affects my eligibility. The business is just me doing occasional logo work for local restaurants - nothing huge but I don't want to get in trouble with Washington ESD if I file incorrectly.

Yes you can still collect UI benefits with a side business! The key is reporting ALL income when you file your weekly claims. Washington ESD will deduct your weekly earnings from your benefit amount but you won't be completely disqualified just for having self-employment income.

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That's a relief! So I just report whatever I earn each week when I do my weekly claim filing?

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Exactly. Report gross earnings before taxes and deductions. Even if you only make $50 that week, report it.

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I've been in this same situation and Washington ESD is pretty strict about self-employment reporting. You need to report income when you EARN it, not when you get paid. So if you finish a logo design in week 1 but don't get paid until week 3, you report it in week 1.

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Oh wow, I didn't realize it was based on when you earn it vs when you get paid. That's going to be tricky to track.

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Yeah this is where a lot of people mess up. I had to appeal a disqualification because I was reporting income when I got paid instead of when I earned it.

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Just went through this exact situation last year. The main thing Washington ESD cares about is that you're available for full-time work. As long as your side business doesn't prevent you from accepting a full-time job, you should be fine. I was doing some consulting work and never had issues as long as I reported everything correctly on my weekly claims.

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Good point about being available for full-time work. My design work is all evenings and weekends so that shouldn't be an issue.

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ugh I'm so frustrated trying to get through to Washington ESD about this exact question! I've been calling for weeks and either get busy signals or get disconnected after waiting on hold for hours. Has anyone found a better way to actually talk to someone there about self-employment rules?

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Never heard of that but I'm desperate at this point. Does it actually work?

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Yeah it worked for me. I was able to get through to an actual person at Washington ESD within like 20 minutes instead of spending all day redialing.

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The income reporting is definitely confusing. I think you have to report it even if you make less than your weekly benefit amount. Like if your weekly benefit is $400 and you only make $100 from your side business, you still report the $100 and they'll reduce your benefit payment accordingly.

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That's correct. Washington ESD has a partial benefit formula. If you earn less than your weekly benefit amount, you'll get a reduced payment but not zero.

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This is helpful to know. I was worried that any income would completely cancel out my benefits for that week.

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Be VERY careful about the available for work requirement. I know someone who got disqualified because Washington ESD decided their side business made them unavailable for full-time employment. They had to go through a whole appeal process to get their benefits reinstated.

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Yikes that's scary. How did they prove they were still available for full-time work?

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I think they had to show their job search activities and explain that the side business was just a few hours per week and wouldn't interfere with a regular job schedule.

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I had a small Etsy shop when I was on unemployment and it was such a pain to track everything. You have to keep detailed records of when you did the work, not just when you got paid. Washington ESD can audit your records if they want to verify your reported income.

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What kind of records did you keep? Just like a simple spreadsheet with dates and amounts?

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Yeah basically. Date work was completed, description of work, amount earned. I also kept copies of invoices and any correspondence with clients.

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Good advice on the record keeping. Washington ESD takes self-employment income reporting very seriously and having good documentation protects you if questions come up later.

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Wait, I'm confused. If you have a business doesn't that mean you're not unemployed? Like isn't the whole point of unemployment that you don't have work?

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No, you can have some work and still collect partial unemployment benefits. The system is designed to help people who are partially employed or have irregular income while they look for stable full-time work.

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Right, it's not all or nothing. Washington ESD recognizes that people might have small amounts of income while they're between jobs.

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Just make sure you understand the difference between being self-employed and having a side business. If Washington ESD determines you're primarily self-employed rather than unemployed, that could affect your eligibility differently.

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How do they determine that? Is it based on how much income you make from the business?

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I think it's more about time commitment and whether you're actively seeking other employment. If you're spending 40 hours a week on your business, that's different than doing a few hours of freelance work.

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The Washington ESD handbook has specific rules about self-employment income reporting. You should definitely read through that before filing your first claim. It explains the whole process step by step.

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Good idea, I'll look that up. Is it on their website?

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Yeah, it's in the claimant handbook section on esd.wa.gov. Lots of good info there about different income scenarios.

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My cousin had this issue and ended up owing money back to Washington ESD because she didn't report her babysitting income correctly. Don't mess around with this stuff - be super accurate about reporting everything.

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Oh no! How much did she have to pay back?

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I think it was like $800 plus penalties. She thought since it was just babysitting she didn't need to report it but Washington ESD considers any income as earnings that need to be reported.

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This is why I love this forum - so much helpful info! I've been wondering about this too because I do some photography work on weekends. Sounds like as long as I report everything honestly I should be okay.

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Exactly! Honesty is key. Washington ESD would rather have you report too much than too little.

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One more thing - make sure you understand how the work search requirements apply when you have self-employment income. You still need to be actively looking for work and meeting the job search requirements even if you have some income from your business.

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Right, I still need to be applying for jobs and doing the work search activities. The side business doesn't replace that requirement.

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Correct. You need to maintain your work search log and be ready to accept suitable full-time employment if offered.

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I tried calling Washington ESD about this months ago and gave up after 5 hours of busy signals. Ended up just being super conservative and reporting every penny I made. Better safe than sorry.

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Smart approach. And if you ever need to talk to them again, definitely check out that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier. It's a game changer for actually reaching Washington ESD agents.

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I'll have to remember that for next time. The phone system is absolutely terrible.

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Just wanted to add that if your side business grows significantly while you're collecting benefits, you might need to reassess your eligibility. Washington ESD could determine you're no longer unemployed if the business income becomes substantial.

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That makes sense. I'm nowhere near that point but good to keep in mind for the future.

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The whole system is so confusing! I wish Washington ESD would just have clear examples of different scenarios instead of making us guess. Like 'if you make X amount from side work, here's exactly what happens to your benefits.

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They do have some examples in their materials but I agree it could be clearer. The partial benefit calculator on their website is somewhat helpful.

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I didn't know there was a calculator! I'll check that out too.

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Bottom line: report everything, keep good records, and don't let your side business interfere with your job search. Washington ESD is pretty reasonable as long as you're honest and following the rules.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice! I feel much more confident about filing now. Going to start my claim tomorrow and just be super careful about reporting my freelance income correctly.

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Good luck! Just remember to report income when you earn it, not when you get paid, and you should be fine.

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One last tip - if you end up in adjudication because of questions about your self-employment, don't panic. It's pretty common and usually gets resolved as long as you have documentation to back up your reported income.

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Good to know that adjudication isn't necessarily bad news. I was worried that would mean automatic disqualification.

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This thread has been so helpful! I'm bookmarking it because I'm sure I'll need to reference this info when I start filing my weekly claims. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences.

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Glad it helped! And remember, if you run into issues reaching Washington ESD by phone, Claimyr can really help speed up the process.

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Definitely saving this thread. So much better than trying to decipher the official Washington ESD website on my own.

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I just wanted to add something that might help with tracking your freelance income - I use a simple Google Sheet to log everything in real time. I have columns for date work completed, client name, description of work, amount earned, and date paid. This way I never forget to report something when I file my weekly claims. It's also saved me a ton of time when I needed to look back at previous weeks. The key is updating it right after you finish each project, not waiting until claim filing day!

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That's such a smart system! I was just thinking about how I was going to keep track of everything and a Google Sheet sounds perfect. Do you also track any business expenses or just the income side? I'm wondering if deductible expenses affect what I need to report to Washington ESD or if they just want the gross amount.

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