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Can you collect Washington ESD unemployment if you get fired for a DUI - need advice

My cousin just got terminated from his job at a logistics company after getting a DUI on his personal time over the weekend. The company said it violates their policy since he drives company vehicles sometimes. He's wondering if he can still file for unemployment benefits with Washington ESD or if this would be considered misconduct that disqualifies him. Anyone been through something similar? Really stressed about how this affects his eligibility.

This is tricky territory. Washington ESD looks at whether the DUI was directly related to his job duties. If driving was an essential function and he can no longer perform it due to license suspension, that could be considered misconduct connected to work. But if it was just a general company policy violation, it might not disqualify him from UI benefits.

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He did drive company trucks about twice a week for deliveries. His license got suspended for 90 days. Does that make it work-related misconduct?

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That's probably going to be the key issue. Since driving was part of his regular duties and he can't perform them now, Washington ESD might view this as misconduct. He should still file though - let them make the determination.

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definitely file anyway, worst case they deny it and you appeal. I know someone who got fired for attendance issues and still got approved after appeal

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Good point, nothing to lose by filing I guess

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The key question is whether Washington ESD considers this willful misconduct. A DUI itself isn't automatically disqualifying unless it directly prevents him from doing his job. Since his job required driving and he lost his license, that's probably going to be a problem.

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So even though the DUI happened on his own time, it still counts as misconduct because it affects his work?

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Exactly. Washington ESD looks at whether your actions outside work made you unable to perform essential job functions. In this case, probably yes.

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That seems unfair but I guess it makes sense from the employer's perspective

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OMG this is my worst nightmare! I have a CDL and if I ever got a DUI I'd be screwed. Your cousin should definitely talk to a lawyer about the criminal case too, that might affect the unemployment decision.

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Yeah he's already got a lawyer for the DUI case. Didn't think about how that might connect to unemployment though.

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The outcome of the criminal case could influence whether Washington ESD sees it as willful misconduct or not

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He should file his claim immediately and be completely honest about the circumstances. Washington ESD will investigate and make a determination. If he's denied, he can appeal within 30 days. The appeal process gives him a chance to present his case to a judge.

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Should he mention the DUI in his initial application or wait until they ask?

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Be upfront about it. Trying to hide it will only make things worse if they find out later, which they probably will.

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This happened to my brother in law. He got fired for a DUI and Washington ESD denied his claim saying it was misconduct. He didn't appeal though so maybe that was a mistake.

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Did his job involve driving too?

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Yeah he was a delivery driver so pretty much the same situation. He just gave up when they denied him.

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That's unfortunate. Appeals are often worth pursuing even if the initial denial seems justified.

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washington esd is so inconsistent with these decisions. I've seen people get approved for way worse stuff

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Every case is different though. They look at the specific circumstances.

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Another factor to consider is whether the company had a clear policy about DUIs that he was aware of. If they had a written policy that employees with driving duties can't have DUIs, that strengthens their case for termination being justified.

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I think they do have something in the employee handbook about it. He probably signed acknowledgment when he was hired.

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That's going to make it harder to argue the termination was unjustified. Washington ESD will definitely consider that in their decision.

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Just file and see what happens. I got denied for something I thought would definitely disqualify me but then got approved on appeal. You never know until you try.

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True, nothing ventured nothing gained

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The timing might matter too. If he already had the DUI when they hired him that would be different than getting one while employed. Also whether this was his first offense or if he has a pattern of issues.

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This is his first DUI ever. He's been with the company for like 3 years with no problems before this.

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That might help his case a little bit. Shows it was an isolated incident rather than a pattern of behavior.

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I work in HR and see this situation sometimes. Usually if driving is essential to the job and they lose their license, we have to terminate. It's not personal, we literally can't have them do half their job duties anymore.

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I get why they had to fire him, just wondering if he can still get unemployment benefits

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That's really up to Washington ESD to decide. From the employer side, we report it as misconduct but they make the final call on benefits.

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Has he looked into whether the company could have accommodated him somehow? Like putting him on non-driving duties temporarily while his license is suspended?

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I don't think he asked about that. Probably too late now anyway since they already terminated him.

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Worth mentioning in an appeal though. If reasonable accommodation was possible but not offered, that could help his case.

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DUI laws are so harsh now. I know someone who got fired just for getting arrested even before they were convicted of anything.

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That's crazy. In his case he did plead guilty though so it's not just an arrest.

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I'll let him know about that option. Sounds like it could be really helpful if he needs to talk to someone there.

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bottom line just file the claim and be honest about everything. let washington esd sort it out, that's what they're there for

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Yeah that seems to be the consensus. Thanks everyone for the advice!

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One last thing - if he does get denied, make sure he appeals within the 30-day deadline. That deadline is strict and if you miss it, you lose the right to appeal entirely.

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Good to know. I'll make sure he's aware of that timeline if it comes to an appeal.

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Yeah they don't mess around with those deadlines. I've seen people miss it by one day and be out of luck.

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Hope it works out for your cousin. This kind of situation is really tough, especially when it affects your whole livelihood.

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Thanks, yeah it's been really stressful for him and his family. Appreciate all the helpful responses here.

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Make sure he starts looking for other work right away too, even if he gets approved for unemployment. The job search requirements are pretty strict these days.

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Good point. He'll need to find something that doesn't require driving anyway with his license suspended.

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This is such a difficult situation, and I really feel for your cousin. From what I've read here, it sounds like the driving requirement is going to be the main issue Washington ESD will focus on. Even though the DUI happened on personal time, the fact that it directly impacts his ability to perform essential job duties (driving company vehicles) will likely be seen as work-connected misconduct. That said, definitely file the claim anyway - every case is unique and you never know how they'll interpret the specific circumstances. The worst that can happen is a denial, which can then be appealed. Make sure he's completely honest on the application and keeps all documentation from his termination. If he does get denied and needs help navigating the appeal process, it sounds like there are resources available to help get through to actual ESD representatives. Wishing him the best of luck with this whole mess.

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