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Abigail Spencer

Can you apply for unemployment again after benefits run out - Washington ESD rules?

My regular UI benefits just exhausted last week after 26 weeks. I'm still unemployed and actively job searching. Can I file a new unemployment claim with Washington ESD or do I have to wait a certain period? I've been working part-time gig work here and there but not enough to really support myself. Does anyone know if there's a waiting period or if I need to have worked a minimum amount since my last claim? Really hoping I don't have to go months without any assistance.

You can potentially file a new claim but it depends on your work history since your last benefit year started. Washington ESD requires you to have earned wages in covered employment during your base period for a new claim. The base period is typically the first 4 of the last 5 completed calendar quarters before you file.

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So if I worked some W-2 jobs during my benefit year, that might count toward a new base period?

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Exactly. Any W-2 wages you earned while collecting benefits or after your claim started could potentially establish a new base period for a subsequent claim.

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I was in the same boat last year. You have to wait until your benefit year ends (52 weeks from when you first filed) OR have enough new wages to establish a valid new claim. The gig work probably won't count unless you were paying into unemployment insurance on those earnings.

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My benefit year started in March 2024, so I'd have to wait until March 2025 to file again? That seems like forever.

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Not necessarily. If you earned enough W-2 wages since March 2024, you might qualify for a new claim now. Check your wage statements and add them up.

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How does that work exactly? Do they just call for you or something?

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They handle the calling process and get you connected to an actual Washington ESD agent. Way better than sitting on hold for hours or getting hung up on.

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Interesting, I've never heard of services like that. Does it actually work for getting claim questions answered?

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The wage requirement for a new claim is pretty specific. You need to have earned at least $3,850 in your base period, with wages in at least two quarters. Plus your highest quarter needs to be at least 1.5 times your lowest quarter with wages. It's not just about having any wages.

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Wow that's complicated. How do I even figure out what quarters count as my base period if I'm filing now?

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If you file in January 2025, your base period would be July 2023 through June 2024. But since you were already on a claim, it gets more complex with the alternate base period rules.

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wait I'm confused about this whole base period thing. if I worked during my unemployment claim does that mess up my weekly certifications? I thought you had to report all work.

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You absolutely have to report all work on your weekly claims. Working while collecting doesn't disqualify you, but you must report the wages. Those wages can then potentially be used for a future claim.

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ok good i was worried i did something wrong. i reported everything but wasn't sure if working hurt my chances for a new claim later

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I tried filing a new claim after my benefits ran out and got denied because I didn't have enough new wages. Had to wait the full year. Washington ESD's system is really strict about this stuff. Make sure you calculate your wages carefully before applying.

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Did you try appealing the denial? Maybe they calculated something wrong.

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Yeah I appealed but the math was right. I just hadn't worked enough hours at high enough wages to qualify. Sometimes you just have to wait it out.

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One thing to watch out for - if you do qualify for a new claim, your weekly benefit amount might be different based on your newer wages. Could be higher or lower depending on what jobs you worked during your benefit year.

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That's good to know. I worked a few temp jobs that paid more than my previous job, so maybe that would help.

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The benefit calculation uses your highest quarter wages, so if you had some good earning quarters while on your claim, it could definitely increase your weekly amount.

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This whole thing is why I hate the unemployment system. You lose your job, get some help for 6 months, then if you're still unemployed you're just out of luck unless you jumped through all these hoops with base periods and wage calculations. It's ridiculous.

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I get the frustration but there has to be some system to prevent people from just collecting indefinitely without working.

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I'm not saying people should collect forever, but 26 weeks isn't very long in this job market. And all these confusing rules make it worse.

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Here's what I'd recommend: gather all your wage statements from March 2024 onwards, add up your total wages by quarter, and see if you meet the monetary requirements. If you're close but not sure, that's when calling Washington ESD makes sense to get a definitive answer.

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Good idea. I'll pull together all my pay stubs and see what the numbers look like. Thanks for the detailed help!

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Just to follow up on the Claimyr thing - I used them again last month for a different issue and they're still working great. Really takes the stress out of trying to reach Washington ESD. Worth checking out if you need to talk to someone about your new claim eligibility.

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I might try that if my wage calculations are borderline. Better than spending days trying to get through on the phone.

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Don't forget about the job search requirements if you do file a new claim. They're pretty strict about the 3 job contacts per week and keeping your WorkSourceWA profile updated. Make sure you're ready for all that before you apply.

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I've been keeping up with job searching anyway, so that shouldn't be a problem. Good reminder though.

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Wait, can you file online for a new claim or do you have to call? The website is confusing about whether you can restart benefits online.

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You should be able to file a new initial claim online through your Washington ESD account. The system will determine if you're eligible based on your wage history.

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Ok thanks, I wasn't sure if it was different for subsequent claims vs first time filing.

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I filed a new claim after my benefits ended and it took like 3 weeks to get approved. Be prepared to wait even if you do qualify. And they made me do the whole WorkSourceWA registration again even though I never stopped using it.

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Three weeks isn't too bad compared to some of the horror stories I've heard. Did you have to go through adjudication again?

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No adjudication thankfully, just the normal processing time. But yeah could have been much worse.

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The timing of when you file can matter too. If you wait too long after your benefits end, it might look like you weren't actively seeking work. Better to file right away if you think you qualify.

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Good point. I'll get my wage info together and file this week if the numbers work out.

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Just want to add that if you don't qualify for regular UI again, there might be other programs available depending on your situation. Extended benefits, retraining programs, etc. Don't give up if the first option doesn't work.

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That's encouraging. I'll look into those options if I don't qualify for regular benefits again.

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One last thing - make sure you're still doing your weekly claims if you have any payments pending from your exhausted claim. Don't want to miss out on any final payments while you're figuring out the new claim situation.

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Already got my final payment, but that's a good reminder for anyone else in this situation.

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This thread has been super helpful. I'm in almost the exact same situation and was totally confused about what to do next. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!

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Glad it helped! That's exactly why I posted - figured I couldn't be the only one dealing with this.

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Final update on the Claimyr service - they also helped my neighbor get through to resolve an overpayment issue. Seems like they're good for any situation where you need to actually talk to Washington ESD instead of just submitting online forms.

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How much does something like that cost though? Is it worth it for just asking about claim eligibility?

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I think it's worth it if you really need answers and can't get through otherwise. Check their site for current info - claimyr.com

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Has anyone here actually succeeded in getting a new claim approved right after their benefits ran out? All these rules make it sound nearly impossible.

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I did, but I had worked almost full-time hours for several months during my claim at a higher wage. It really depends on your specific work history.

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Ok that gives me some hope. I worked a decent amount during my claim too.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice! I'm going to calculate my wages tonight and see if I meet the requirements. Will update if I learn anything new from the process.

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Good luck! Feel free to post back with questions if you run into any issues with the wage calculations.

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Hope it works out for you. The system is complicated but it does work when you meet the requirements.

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