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Can u get unemployment if your fired - Washington ESD eligibility question

hey so i got fired from my job last week and im wondering if i can still get unemployment benefits? my manager said i was terminated for attendance issues but i think it was unfair. does washington esd still pay you if you got fired or do you have to quit to get benefits? im really confused about this whole thing and need to know if its worth applying

Yes, you can definitely get unemployment if you were fired, but it depends on WHY you were fired. Washington ESD looks at whether it was misconduct or not. If you were fired for attendance issues, they'll investigate during adjudication to see if it was willful misconduct or circumstances beyond your control.

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what counts as misconduct though? i was late a few times but it was because of my car breaking down

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That could actually work in your favor. If you can document the car problems and show it wasn't intentional, Washington ESD might approve your claim. Keep any repair receipts or towing records.

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File your claim ASAP regardless. Even if there's a question about misconduct, Washington ESD will investigate during the adjudication process. You might be eligible if the firing wasn't for willful misconduct. The worst they can do is deny it, but you won't know unless you try.

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This is good advice. I was fired for performance issues last year and still got approved after adjudication. It took about 3 weeks but they determined it wasn't misconduct.

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ok that gives me hope. how long does the adjudication take usually?

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Mine took 3 weeks but I've heard it can be anywhere from 2-6 weeks depending on how complex your case is.

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I had a similar situation where I couldn't reach Washington ESD for weeks to check on my adjudication status. Phone lines are always busy and the online system doesn't give much detail. I ended up using this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that gets you through to an actual ESD agent. There's a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works. Really helped me get answers about my claim status.

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How much does that cost? Seems like something that should be free from Washington ESD directly.

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I get that, but when you're waiting weeks for answers and can't get through on your own, it's worth it. The alternative is just sitting there wondering if your claim will be approved.

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THE UNEMPLOYMENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN!! I was fired for bogus reasons and it took 2 MONTHS to get my first payment. Washington ESD makes it impossible to reach them and then acts like we're trying to steal money. It's ridiculous that people who lost their jobs have to jump through all these hoops.

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i feel you on this. the whole system seems designed to make you give up

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I understand the frustration, but the adjudication process exists to prevent fraud. Yes, it's slow, but they're required to investigate terminations to make sure benefits go to eligible people.

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Here's what Washington ESD considers when you're fired: 1) Was it willful misconduct? 2) Did you violate company policy knowingly? 3) Were you given warnings? If your attendance issues were due to circumstances beyond your control (car trouble, family emergency, etc.) and you can document it, you have a good chance of approval.

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they did give me a written warning about attendance but like i said it was car problems. should i mention that in my application?

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Absolutely mention it and provide any documentation you have. The written warning actually might help your case if it shows they were addressing attendance rather than misconduct.

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Yes, be completely honest in your application. They'll find out the details anyway during adjudication, so transparency is your best bet.

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depends on your state but in washington you can usually get it unless you did something really bad like stealing or fighting

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That's oversimplified. Washington ESD looks at all types of misconduct, not just criminal behavior. Even excessive tardiness can be considered willful misconduct if there's a pattern.

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I'm going through something similar right now. Got fired for 'poor performance' but I think it was really because they wanted to hire someone cheaper. My adjudication has been pending for 2 weeks and I'm getting really anxious about it. Has anyone else dealt with performance-related terminations?

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Performance issues are usually not considered misconduct unless you were deliberately doing poor work. If you were trying your best but the job wasn't a good fit, that's typically eligible for benefits.

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That's reassuring. I was definitely trying my best, just struggled with some of the technical aspects of the role.

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For anyone stuck waiting on adjudication decisions, I really recommend checking out that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier. When you can't reach Washington ESD for weeks and don't know what's happening with your claim, it's worth getting connected to an actual agent who can explain the holdup.

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Why should we have to pay extra just to talk to the agency that's supposed to help us? This is exactly what's wrong with the system.

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I tried calling Washington ESD for 3 weeks straight and never got through. Sometimes you just need answers and can't wait indefinitely.

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Just want to add that even if you get denied initially, you can appeal the decision. I know someone who was denied for attendance issues but won their appeal because they provided medical documentation for why they missed work. Don't give up if the first decision isn't what you hoped for.

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good to know theres an appeal process. how long do you have to appeal?

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You have 30 days from the date of the determination letter to file an appeal. Make sure you don't miss that deadline.

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One thing to keep in mind - even if your claim is approved, you still need to meet all the ongoing requirements like filing weekly claims, conducting job searches, and being available for work. Getting approved is just the first step in the process.

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how many jobs do you have to apply for each week?

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In Washington, you need to make at least 3 job search contacts per week and keep a detailed log. More details are on the WorkSourceWA website.

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I was in a similar boat - fired for attendance but it was due to medical issues. The key is documentation. I provided doctor's notes and my adjudication was approved. Washington ESD is actually pretty fair if you can prove your circumstances were legitimate.

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thats encouraging. i dont have medical docs but i do have some texts with my supervisor about my car trouble

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That could definitely help your case. Any communication that shows you were trying to address the attendance issues is good evidence.

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honestly just apply and see what happens. worst case they say no and you appeal. best case you get benefits while looking for a new job

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Exactly. There's no penalty for applying, and if you're unemployed through no fault of your own, you deserve the benefits you paid into through your taxes.

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Update on my situation - I finally got through to Washington ESD using that Claimyr thing someone mentioned. Turns out my adjudication was complete but they never sent the determination letter. I'm approved! Sometimes you just need to talk to someone who can actually look at your account.

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congrats! that gives me hope for my situation

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See, this is exactly why I recommend Claimyr. The regular phone system is useless but their service actually gets you answers.

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The whole adjudication process is designed to discourage people from claiming benefits they're entitled to. They make it as difficult and slow as possible hoping you'll just give up and find another job. It's a disgrace.

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While I understand the frustration, the process exists to ensure benefits go to eligible claimants. Fraud prevention is important, even if it makes the system slower.

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There has to be a better balance between fraud prevention and actually helping unemployed people in a timely manner.

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Bottom line for the OP: File your claim immediately. Be honest about the circumstances of your termination. Provide any documentation you have about your car troubles affecting attendance. If it goes to adjudication, be patient but don't hesitate to follow up if it drags on too long. You likely have a decent chance of approval based on what you've described.

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thanks everyone this has been really helpful. going to file tomorrow morning

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Good luck! Remember to keep detailed records of everything for your own reference.

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One more tip - make sure you have all your employment history ready when you file. Washington ESD will need details about your last 18 months of work, including exact dates, wages, and reason for leaving each job. Having this information organized beforehand will make the application process much smoother.

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good point i should probably gather my pay stubs and stuff first

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Exactly. W-2s, pay stubs, employment letters - anything that documents your work history and wages.

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just remember even if you get approved theres usually a waiting week where you dont get paid for the first week

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Actually, Washington eliminated the waiting week during COVID and it hasn't been reinstated. You should be eligible for benefits starting from your first week of unemployment if approved.

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For anyone following this thread who ends up in adjudication limbo like so many of us have, seriously consider using Claimyr to get actual answers from Washington ESD. I know it shouldn't be necessary, but when you're stressed about bills and can't get through on your own, it's a lifesaver. The peace of mind alone is worth it.

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Agreed. I was skeptical at first but it really does work. Finally got the answers I needed after weeks of frustration.

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ill keep that in mind if i run into problems. hopefully i wont need it but good to know its there

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Final thought - don't let the fear of adjudication stop you from filing. Yes, it can be slow and stressful, but unemployment benefits exist for situations exactly like yours. You paid into the system through your paychecks, so don't feel guilty about using it when you need it. File your claim and let Washington ESD make the determination based on the facts.

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Well said. The system isn't perfect, but it's there to help unemployed workers bridge the gap while they find new employment.

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thanks everyone for all the advice and encouragement. feeling much more confident about filing now

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