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Can you get unemployment if you get fired in Washington state?

Got terminated from my retail job last week and wondering if I can still file for Washington ESD unemployment benefits? My manager said I was let go for 'performance issues' but I feel like it was unfair. I've heard mixed things about whether you can get UI benefits if you're fired vs if you quit. Does anyone know how Washington ESD handles this? Really need to know if it's worth applying or if I'll just get denied.

Yes, you can potentially get unemployment benefits even if you were fired, but it depends on WHY you were fired. Washington ESD will approve your claim if you were fired for reasons beyond your control or for poor performance that wasn't intentional misconduct. However, if you were fired for willful misconduct, theft, or violating company policy, your claim will likely be denied.

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They said it was performance issues but I was never given a formal warning or put on a performance improvement plan. Does that help my case?

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That actually works in your favor. Washington ESD looks at whether the employer followed progressive discipline and gave you a chance to improve. Lack of warnings or coaching can support your case.

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Yes you can definitely get unemployment if you're fired! The key is whether it was for 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless it was willful. Washington ESD will investigate your case during adjudication and decide if the firing was your fault or not.

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That's encouraging! How long does the adjudication process usually take? I need to pay rent next month.

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Usually 2-4 weeks but can be longer if they need more info from you or your employer. File your claim ASAP though - benefits are backdated to when you first became eligible.

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Yes, you can potentially get unemployment benefits even if you were fired, but it depends on WHY you were fired. Washington ESD will approve your claim if you were terminated for reasons beyond your control, like poor performance, lack of skills, or economic reasons. However, if you were fired for misconduct (like stealing, violence, or willful violation of company policy), you'll likely be disqualified.

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That's somewhat reassuring. They said it was performance-related but I honestly think they just wanted to get rid of me. Should I mention that when I file my claim?

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Just be honest about what happened. Washington ESD will contact your employer to get their side of the story during the adjudication process. The key is whether your actions were willful misconduct or just not meeting their standards.

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Yes, you can potentially get unemployment benefits even if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD will review your case during adjudication to determine if you were terminated for 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues alone usually don't disqualify you unless there was willful misconduct involved.

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That's good to hear. How long does the adjudication process usually take? I need to know if I should expect benefits soon or if I need to find other income sources.

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Adjudication typically takes 3-6 weeks, sometimes longer if they need additional documentation from you or your employer. Make sure to file your weekly claims even while it's pending.

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i got fired from my last job too and still got benefits. they asked me to explain what happened and i told them the truth about the situation

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Did they contact your employer too or just go off what you said?

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yeah they called my old boss but i guess my story matched up enough that they approved me

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Yes, you can absolutely file for unemployment if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD looks at whether you were terminated for 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless you were deliberately not doing your job.

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That's a relief to hear. How do I prove it wasn't misconduct? They didn't give me any written warnings before firing me.

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Document everything you can remember - dates, conversations, any emails. If you complained about safety issues, that could actually help your case since retaliation isn't misconduct.

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File your claim ASAP! You can apply online at esd.wa.gov. Even if your employer contests it, Washington ESD will investigate and make a determination. Don't let them intimidate you into not filing.

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Should I mention the safety complaints when I file? I'm worried it might make things worse.

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Absolutely mention it! That's relevant information that could support your case. Being fired for raising legitimate safety concerns is not misconduct.

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File immediately - you have nothing to lose. Washington ESD distinguishes between being fired for misconduct (which disqualifies you) versus being fired for inability to do the job, layoffs, or other non-misconduct reasons. Performance issues typically fall under inability rather than misconduct. During your weekly claims, you'll need to report that you were discharged and they'll start an adjudication to determine eligibility.

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What counts as misconduct exactly? My friend got denied because they said he was insubordinate but he was just standing up for himself.

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Misconduct has to be willful violation of company policy or deliberate acts that harm the employer. Standing up for yourself isn't automatically misconduct unless it involved threats, harassment, or clear policy violations.

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I went through something similar last year. Got fired for 'attitude problems' but really it was because I wouldn't work unpaid overtime. Filed for unemployment and after about 3 weeks of adjudication, Washington ESD approved my claim. The key is being honest about what happened.

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How long did the whole process take? I'm already stressed about paying rent next month.

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From filing to first payment was about 4 weeks total. The waiting can be brutal but it's worth fighting for if you think you were wrongfully terminated.

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I struggled with this exact situation last year when trying to reach Washington ESD about my fired-for-performance case. Couldn't get through on the phone for weeks to explain my side of the story. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helped me get connected to an actual ESD agent. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Really saved me during my adjudication process.

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Never heard of that before - did it actually work? I'm worried about giving my info to third parties.

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Yeah it worked great for me. They don't store your personal info, just help you get through to Washington ESD when you need to talk to someone about your claim.

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Interesting, might look into that if I run into problems with my appeal.

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I got fired last year and still got approved for UI benefits. The key is being honest on your application about why you were terminated and providing your side of the story. Washington ESD will contact your employer to get their version too.

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How long did it take for them to make a decision on your claim?

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About 3 weeks. My claim went into adjudication while they investigated, but I eventually got approved and received back pay for those weeks.

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I got fired last year and still got approved for UI benefits. The important thing is the distinction between being fired for cause vs. being fired for performance. If they can't prove you deliberately did something wrong, you should be good. File your claim ASAP though - you don't want to delay and lose potential benefits.

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How long did it take for your claim to get approved? I'm worried about the wait time.

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Mine took about 3 weeks because they had to do an adjudication review. Had to provide my side of the story and wait for them to investigate. It was nerve-wracking but worth it.

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The whole system is so frustrating!! I was fired for being 5 minutes late three times and they're saying it's misconduct. How is that fair when I had car trouble? Washington ESD needs to understand that not everyone has perfect circumstances.

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Chronic tardiness can sometimes be considered misconduct if you were warned about it. Did you have documentation about your car issues? That might help your case.

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I have some repair receipts but didn't think to keep them organized. Should I appeal if they deny me?

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Yes, definitely appeal if denied. You have 30 days from the denial notice. Gather any documentation you have about the car problems and present it during your appeal hearing.

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my cousin got fired for arguing with a customer and they denied his unemployment. said it was misconduct

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That makes sense though - customer service jobs probably have strict rules about customer interactions.

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yeah but the customer was being racist to him so i dont think thats fair

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I got fired for attendance issues and still qualified for benefits. The key is whether your employer can prove misconduct. If it's just performance or attendance without willful violation of company policy, you should be okay.

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Did you have to provide any documentation during the process? I'm worried they might twist things to make it look like misconduct.

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Yeah, I had to submit my side of the story and any emails or documentation I had. Keep records of everything - performance reviews, emails, any warnings you received.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helps you actually reach a live agent. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Saved me hours of trying to call.

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Is it legit? I'm desperate to talk to someone at Washington ESD about my situation.

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Yeah it's real. I was skeptical too but it actually connected me to an Washington ESD agent within 20 minutes. Way better than sitting on hold for hours.

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being fired doesnt automatically disqualify you but your employer will probably fight it. they always do. just be prepared for a long process and maybe an appeal

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Ugh, I was hoping it would be straightforward. How long do appeals usually take?

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Appeals can take 6-8 weeks but if you have a good case, it's worth it. Don't let the process discourage you from filing.

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Performance issues vs misconduct is such an important distinction. I work in HR and see this all the time. If an employee genuinely can't meet job requirements despite training and support, that's not misconduct. But if they refuse to follow procedures or deliberately perform poorly, that becomes misconduct. Washington ESD usually sides with the employee unless there's clear evidence of willful wrongdoing.

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This is really helpful perspective. In my case they said I wasn't meeting sales targets but I was trying my best. Sounds like that should qualify.

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Exactly. Inability to meet performance standards, especially sales quotas, typically isn't considered misconduct unless you weren't trying or were actively sabotaging your results.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status or explain your situation, I'd recommend trying Claimyr. It's a service that helps you get connected to actual ESD agents without sitting on hold for hours. I used it when my claim was stuck in adjudication and it saved me so much time. Check out claimyr.com and they have a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Never heard of this before. Is it legit or just another scam?

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It's totally legitimate. They don't ask for your personal info or SSN, they just help you get through the phone system. I was skeptical too but desperate after calling ESD for days with no luck.

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This is exactly why I used Claimyr when I got terminated. Trying to reach Washington ESD on the phone was impossible - busy signals all day. Claimyr got me through to an agent who explained exactly what documentation I needed for my termination case. Check out claimyr.com, they have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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How much does that service cost? I'm already broke from losing my job.

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It's worth it when you consider how much time you'll waste trying to get through on your own. Plus they help you understand your rights better which can make the difference in getting approved.

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Don't let them intimidate you into not filing. Employers sometimes tell people they won't get benefits to discourage claims, but that's not their decision to make. Washington ESD makes the final determination based on the facts.

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Good point - my manager did seem pretty confident I wouldn't get benefits. Maybe he was just trying to discourage me.

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Employers pay into the UI system based on their claim history, so they have incentive to fight claims even when they're legitimate.

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Make sure you apply as soon as possible! You can file your initial claim online through the Washington ESD website even if you're not sure you'll be approved. The worst thing that can happen is they deny it, but if you wait too long you might miss out on potential benefits.

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Should I file even though I'm worried they'll deny me? I don't want to waste their time.

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Absolutely file! It's better to apply and get denied than to not apply at all. Plus, if they deny you initially, you can always appeal the decision.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status, I found this service called Claimyr that helps you actually reach an agent. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. I was stuck trying to call for weeks before finding them.

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Interesting, I'll check that out. I tried calling yesterday and couldn't get through at all. The automated system just hung up on me.

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How much does that cost? I'm already struggling financially and can't afford to pay just to talk to someone about my benefits.

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It's worth checking out claimyr.com for the details. For me, it was worth it just to get answers instead of spending hours on hold every day.

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washington esd is gonna side with the employer anyway so dont get your hopes up. they always find some excuse to deny claims especially if you got fired

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That's not true at all. Washington ESD reviews each case individually and they have to follow specific guidelines. Many people who are fired do get approved for benefits.

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maybe in theory but ive seen too many people get screwed over by the system

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The whole system is rigged in favor of employers anyway. They'll find some excuse to deny your claim no matter what. I got fired for being 5 minutes late ONE TIME and they still denied my unemployment.

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That's not typical. One instance of being late usually isn't considered misconduct. Did you appeal their decision?

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Yeah I appealed and lost. Administrative law judge sided with my employer even though I had been there 3 years with no other issues.

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Something doesn't add up there. Washington ESD's misconduct standards are pretty clear and one late arrival shouldn't qualify.

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The key thing is to document everything you can remember about your termination. Write down exactly what your supervisor said, any witnesses present, and your work history there. When you file your claim, be detailed but stick to the facts. Don't let emotions cloud your description of what happened.

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Good advice. I should probably write this all down while it's still fresh in my memory.

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ugh the whole system is so confusing... I got fired 6 months ago and still don't understand half the stuff they ask on the weekly claims. why do they make it so complicated??

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The weekly claims can be confusing at first, but once you get the hang of it, it becomes routine. The most important thing is to be honest about any work you do and income you earn each week.

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yeah I guess... just wish there was better help available when you're trying to figure this stuff out

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Quick question - do you have to wait to file if you were fired? Or can you apply right away like with layoffs?

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You can and should file immediately. There's no waiting period for filing, though there might be adjudication time to determine if you're eligible.

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Thanks! I was worried there was some kind of penalty period.

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File your claim immediately! Even if you're not sure about eligibility, it's better to file and potentially get denied than to wait and lose out on benefits you could have received. The worst they can say is no, but you might be surprised.

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You're right, I'll start the application today. Better safe than sorry.

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Also remember that even if Washington ESD initially denies your claim, you have the right to appeal their decision. I've seen cases where people got approved on appeal even after being denied initially. The appeal process gives you a chance to present your case more thoroughly.

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How long do you have to file an appeal if they deny you?

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You have 30 days from the date of the determination letter to file your appeal. Don't wait - the deadline is strict.

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The unemployment system is so messed up! They make it impossible to get through to anyone and then take forever to process claims. I've been waiting 2 months for my adjudication decision and still nothing!

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Two months?! That's terrible. Have you tried reaching out to your local WorkSource office for help?

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If it's been 2 months, you should definitely escalate this. Sometimes claims get stuck in the system and need manual review.

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Make sure you understand the difference between being fired 'for cause' vs regular termination. Misconduct has a specific legal definition in Washington state unemployment law. Things like tardiness, poor performance, or personality conflicts usually don't qualify as misconduct.

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That's helpful to know. My termination letter mentioned 'performance issues' but didn't use the word misconduct. Does that help my case?

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That's a good sign. Washington ESD looks at the actual circumstances, not just the employer's characterization. Document everything and be prepared to explain your side during the adjudication interview.

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I work in HR and deal with unemployment claims regularly. Performance issues alone typically don't rise to the level of misconduct in Washington. The employer has to prove you willfully disregarded their interests or violated company policy.

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That's encouraging. They never gave me a written performance improvement plan or anything formal.

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That actually helps your case. Lack of progressive discipline suggests they didn't follow proper procedures before termination.

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whatever you do dont lie on your application! they will find out and then you'll be in real trouble. just tell the truth about what happened

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I wasn't planning to lie but I'm worried about how to explain the safety complaint situation.

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Just be factual and straightforward. If you complained about legitimate safety issues, that's protected activity under labor laws.

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I got fired from two different jobs and got unemployment both times. First time was for attendance issues (I had medical problems) and second time was for not meeting productivity standards. Both times Washington ESD approved me after investigating. Don't assume you won't qualify.

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That's really encouraging to hear! Did you have to provide medical documentation for the attendance issue?

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Yeah I submitted some doctor notes and they accepted that it wasn't willful misconduct. Medical issues that affect attendance usually don't disqualify you.

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I got fired from my last job too and was worried about the same thing. Turns out Washington ESD approved my claim pretty quickly because my employer couldn't prove I did anything wrong. Don't assume you'll be denied.

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How long did it take to get your first payment?

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About 3 weeks from filing to first deposit. Had to do the waiting week but after that payments came regularly.

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Been through this exact situation. Washington ESD approved my claim even though I was technically 'fired' because it was really just a personality conflict with my manager, not actual misconduct. Document everything you can remember about your termination and any conversations leading up to it.

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That's good to hear. I kept some emails between me and my supervisor that might help show it wasn't misconduct.

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Perfect! Keep those emails safe. Any documentation that shows the employer's reasoning or your work history will be helpful if your claim gets reviewed.

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This thread is making me feel better about my situation. I was so worried I'd be stuck without any income while job hunting.

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Definitely file ASAP and start your job search right away. You'll need to log job search activities for your weekly claims anyway.

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How many job applications do you need to do per week? I heard it changed recently.

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When I got fired they said it was for attendance but I had medical documentation for my absences. Made sure to provide all that info to Washington ESD during my phone interview. Got approved because I could prove my absences were legitimate and not willful misconduct.

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That's a good point about documentation. I wish I had kept better records of everything.

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Whatever you do, don't lie on your application. Washington ESD will find out the truth anyway when they contact your employer. Be honest about being fired but explain your side professionally. Honesty goes a long way in these cases.

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Definitely planning to be completely honest. I have nothing to hide anyway.

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Update on my earlier comment about Claimyr - they actually helped me understand the difference between misconduct and poor performance, which was crucial for my case. When you're dealing with a termination, getting expert guidance on how to present your situation can make all the difference in your claim outcome.

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Did they help you prepare for the phone interview with Washington ESD too?

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They gave me talking points and helped me understand what questions to expect. Made the whole process way less stressful.

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Wait, I thought if you get fired you automatically can't get unemployment? That's what my coworker told me when I got let go.

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That's a common misconception. Getting fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment benefits. It depends on the specific circumstances of why you were fired.

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Oh wow, I wish I had known that when I got terminated last year. I never even applied because I thought I couldn't.

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been there done that, got fired and still got benefits. just file and see what happens. worst case they say no and you appeal

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Did you have to go through an appeal process? How long did that take?

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nah mine went through fine. took like a month though. just keep filing weekly claims while you wait

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Also make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even if your initial claim is under review. If you don't keep up with the weekly filings, you could lose benefits for those weeks.

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Good point. I'll make sure to file every week regardless of what's happening with the investigation.

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The adjudication process can be nerve-wracking but hang in there. Washington ESD investigators are pretty thorough and they'll interview both you and your employer before making a decision.

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Will they tell me when they're going to call? I don't want to miss their call.

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They usually call without much notice, so keep your phone handy. You can also check your claim status online at esd.wa.gov to see updates.

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Had a friend who used that Claimyr service mentioned earlier when she got fired for a safety violation. Helped her get through to someone at Washington ESD to explain that she followed all the procedures correctly and it was actually a equipment malfunction. Ended up getting approved after the phone call.

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Good to hear another success story with that service. Might be worth trying if I can't get through the regular way.

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Yeah it's really helpful when you need to actually talk to someone instead of just filing online and hoping for the best.

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The key thing is being honest about what happened when you file your claim. Don't try to hide that you were fired - they'll find out anyway when they contact your employer. Better to be upfront and let them make the determination.

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Should I mention that I think the firing was unfair or just state the facts?

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Stick to facts but definitely mention if you think there were unfair circumstances. Just don't get too emotional about it - focus on the objective details.

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I'm going through something similar right now. Got fired three weeks ago and my claim is still under adjudication. The waiting is killing me but at least I know there's still hope. Your situation sounds like it could definitely qualify for benefits.

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How are you managing financially during the wait? I'm already worried about next month's bills.

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It's tough but I'm trying to stay optimistic. Applied for some emergency assistance programs while waiting for the decision.

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One more important point - make sure you continue filing your weekly claims even while your initial claim is under review. If you're eventually approved, you'll get backpay for those weeks, but only if you filed the weekly claims during that time.

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Good to know! I definitely don't want to miss out on any benefits I'm entitled to.

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The unemployment system is set up to help people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own. Being fired for performance issues usually falls into that category. Don't let anyone discourage you from filing - you paid into this system through your payroll taxes.

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You're absolutely right about paying into it. I've been working and paying taxes for years.

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Quick question for the thread - does anyone know if Washington ESD considers it misconduct if you were fired for not meeting sales quotas? Asking for a friend who's in a similar situation.

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Generally no, not meeting sales goals is considered poor performance rather than misconduct. Your friend should definitely file a claim.

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Been through this exact scenario twice in my career. Both times I was approved for unemployment despite being terminated. Washington ESD really does look at each case individually. The key is providing a clear, honest account of what happened.

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That's encouraging to hear from someone with actual experience. Makes me feel more confident about filing.

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dont forget you also have to do the job search requirements even if your claim gets approved. washington esd makes you apply for jobs and keep a log of your search activities

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How many jobs do you have to apply for each week?

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You need to complete at least 3 job search activities per week, which can include applying for jobs, attending job fairs, or networking events.

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If you're really concerned about navigating this process, I'd recommend using a service like Claimyr to help you get through to Washington ESD agents. When I was dealing with my termination case, being able to actually talk to someone at ESD made a huge difference in understanding my options.

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I'm definitely considering it. The thought of trying to get through on the phone for hours is already stressing me out.

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Good luck with your claim! Remember that being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you. Focus on presenting the facts clearly and let Washington ESD make their determination. Most people in your situation do get approved.

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Thank you for all the encouragement! This thread has been incredibly helpful and reassuring.

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Just want to add that if your employer tries to claim you were fired for misconduct when you weren't, don't be afraid to fight it. I've seen employers try to block unemployment claims to avoid higher taxes, but Washington ESD will see through false misconduct claims.

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That's exactly what I'm worried about. My employer might try to make it sound worse than it was.

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Just stick to the truth and you'll be fine. Washington ESD has seen every excuse in the book.

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Final thought - start your job search immediately even while waiting for your claim to be processed. It shows good faith and you'll be ahead of the game if you do get approved for benefits. Plus you might find something before you even need the unemployment.

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Already started updating my resume! Hopefully I'll find something soon but it's good to know unemployment might be an option.

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Here's what you need to know about the adjudication process: Washington ESD will contact both you and your employer to get statements about the termination. They'll schedule a phone interview with you to discuss the circumstances. Be honest and stick to the facts - don't badmouth your employer but explain your perspective clearly.

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When they call for the interview, will I know it's them? I've been getting a lot of spam calls lately and don't want to miss it.

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They'll send you a letter with the scheduled interview time first. The call will come from a 360 area code number. Make sure to answer and be prepared with any documentation you have.

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I missed my adjudication interview because I thought it was spam! Had to reschedule and it delayed my benefits by another 3 weeks. Don't make my mistake.

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Update on the Claimyr thing - I actually used it again last week when I had questions about my job search requirements. Got through to an agent in like 10 minutes instead of the usual 2-hour wait. Definitely worth it when you need actual answers.

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Good to know it works consistently. I'm definitely going to try it if I can't get through the normal way.

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Sounds too good to be true. How do they actually get you through faster than calling directly?

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They have some kind of system that monitors the phone lines and calls you back when an agent is available. Check out their video demo to see how it works.

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One thing to keep in mind - even if you get approved for benefits, your former employer might appeal the decision. This happened to me and it delayed my payments for another month while they reviewed the appeal.

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Ugh, that sounds frustrating. Did you eventually get all your back pay once it was resolved?

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Yes, I got all the back payments once the appeal was denied. Just had to wait longer than expected. Keep documenting everything and stay on top of your weekly claims.

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I'm going through something similar right now. Got fired last month for what they called 'insubordination' but really I was just advocating for myself during a meeting. Still waiting to hear back from Washington ESD about my eligibility.

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That sounds like a frustrating situation. Did you have any witnesses to what actually happened?

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Yeah, there were other people in the meeting. I'm hoping they'll be willing to provide statements if needed. The whole thing feels unfair.

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Insubordination is one of those terms employers throw around loosely. Washington ESD will look at whether your actions actually constituted willful misconduct or if you were just doing your job.

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Don't give up if you get initially denied! I was denied at first because my employer claimed I was fired for cause, but I appealed and won. The appeal hearing was actually pretty fair and they listened to my side of the story.

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How long did the appeal process take? And did you need a lawyer or anything?

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The appeal hearing was scheduled about 3 weeks after I filed it. You don't need a lawyer for unemployment appeals - you can represent yourself. Just be prepared with facts and documentation.

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The worst part about this whole process is the uncertainty. You don't know if you'll get benefits and you don't know when you'll find out. It's impossible to plan anything when you're waiting for adjudication.

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Exactly! I'm trying to figure out if I should take a part-time job or wait to see if I get benefits. The timing is so stressful.

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You can work part-time while receiving unemployment benefits in Washington. Just report your earnings on your weekly claims and they'll adjust your benefit amount accordingly.

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Make sure you're doing your job search activities even while waiting for adjudication. Washington ESD requires you to actively look for work and document your efforts. They can ask for your job search log at any time.

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How many job applications do I need to do per week? I've been applying to everything I can find but want to make sure I'm meeting requirements.

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You need to do at least 3 job search activities per week. This can include applications, networking, job fairs, or training. Keep detailed records of everything you do.

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Another person recommending Claimyr here. Used them twice now when I needed to talk to Washington ESD about different issues. Way better than the frustration of calling over and over. Their site is claimyr.com if anyone wants to check it out.

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Three people now have mentioned this service. I'm definitely going to try it if I need to call about my claim status.

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Is this like a call center service? How do they actually help you reach Washington ESD?

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They monitor the phone lines and call you back when an agent is available. Saves you from sitting on hold for hours. Pretty simple but effective.

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I got fired for being late too many times (my car kept breaking down) and was worried I wouldn't qualify. Turns out Washington ESD approved my claim because it wasn't willful misconduct. Sometimes life happens and they understand that.

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That gives me hope. My performance issues were partly due to lack of training and unrealistic expectations from management.

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Document everything about the lack of training and unrealistic expectations. That kind of context can really help your case during adjudication.

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Just remember that even if you get approved, you still need to certify for benefits every week and continue your job search. The requirements don't stop once you start receiving payments.

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Good point. I've been so focused on getting approved that I haven't thought much about the ongoing requirements.

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The weekly certification is usually available Sunday evenings through the Washington ESD website. Don't miss your filing deadlines or you could lose benefits for that week.

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UPDATE: I finally heard back from Washington ESD after 6 weeks of waiting. My claim was approved! Even though I was technically fired, they determined it wasn't misconduct. There's hope for everyone going through this process.

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That's great news! Did they backdate your benefits to when you first filed?

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Yes, I got all the back pay from my initial filing date. It was a huge relief after waiting so long. Don't give up hope - the system does work, just slowly.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful information in this thread. I feel much more confident about filing my claim now. It's good to know there are other people going through similar situations and willing to share their experiences.

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I'm feeling more optimistic too. This community has been really helpful for understanding the process.

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Good luck with your claim! Remember to stay on top of your weekly filings and job search requirements. Feel free to ask if you have more questions.

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If you need to talk to someone at Washington ESD about your case, seriously consider using Claimyr. I spent two days trying to get through their phone system before someone told me about it. Game changer.

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How much does something like that cost?

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Honestly don't remember the exact cost but it was worth it to actually reach a human being who could answer my questions about my claim.

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Performance issues are tricky. If they can show you weren't meeting clear expectations that were communicated to you, that could be considered misconduct. But it sounds like they didn't give you proper warnings.

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Right, no written warnings or performance reviews saying I was underperforming. Just the termination conversation.

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That's a red flag for the employer. Good employers document performance issues before termination.

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My brother got fired for attendance issues and still got unemployment because the employer couldn't prove he was excessively absent. Every case is different but don't give up hope.

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That's reassuring. I'm going to file today and see what happens.

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Make sure you have all your employment documents ready - pay stubs, employee handbook if you have it, any communications about your termination. The more documentation you have, the better.

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I have my last few pay stubs and I think I saved some emails. I'll gather everything together before I file.

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been there. got fired for 'not fitting in' which is basically meaningless. fought it and won because washington esd said that wasnt misconduct. hang in there

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Thanks for sharing. It helps to know other people have been through this successfully.

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The safety complaint angle could actually work in your favor. Retaliation for raising legitimate workplace safety concerns is illegal and definitely not misconduct for unemployment purposes.

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I documented the safety issues I reported and when I reported them. Hopefully that will help my case.

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Definitely include that timeline in your claim. Shows a pattern of retaliation rather than performance issues.

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Washington ESD gets thousands of these cases. They know the difference between legitimate terminations and employers trying to avoid paying unemployment. Trust the process.

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I hope you're right. I'm filing my claim this afternoon.

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One more thing - if they do initially deny your claim, don't panic. The appeal process exists for a reason and you can present your case to an administrative law judge who will look at all the evidence.

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Good to know. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that but at least there's another option if needed.

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I used Claimyr last month when I couldn't get through to Washington ESD about my adjudication status. Connected me to an agent who explained exactly what was happening with my claim. Worth checking out if you need answers quickly.

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I'll keep that in mind if I can't get through on my own. Thanks for the recommendation.

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Bottom line - file your claim and let Washington ESD make the determination. Don't let your employer convince you that you're not eligible. You have nothing to lose by filing.

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You're absolutely right. I'm going to file today and fight for what I'm entitled to. Thanks everyone for all the advice and encouragement!

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The unemployment office will look at whether you were fired for 'misconduct' or just poor performance. There's a big difference legally. Misconduct has to be willful and work-related.

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What counts as misconduct versus poor performance?

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Misconduct would be things like stealing, showing up drunk, insubordination, or deliberately violating company policies. Poor performance is more like not meeting quotas, making mistakes, or not being a good fit for the role.

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I tried calling Washington ESD yesterday for 4 hours straight and never got through to a human. The automated system kept hanging up on me. So frustrating when you just need to ask a simple question about your claim!

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That's exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier. The Washington ESD phone system is notoriously difficult to navigate. Services like that exist because so many people have your exact problem.

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I might have to look into that. This is ridiculous that it's so hard to reach someone who can help.

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File your claim ASAP but also start looking for work immediately. Washington ESD requires you to actively search for jobs while receiving benefits, and you'll need to report your job search activities on your weekly claims.

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How many jobs do I need to apply for each week?

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You need to make at least 3 job search contacts per week and keep a log of your activities. This can include applying for jobs, attending job fairs, or networking events.

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same thing happened to me! got 'fired' but it was really just budget cuts disguised as performance issues. Still got my unemployment approved after they investigated.

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How did you prove it was really budget cuts and not performance?

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I had emails showing they were laying off other people around the same time and my performance reviews were actually decent. The timing was suspicious.

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Don't let them intimidate you into not filing. Employers sometimes exaggerate the reasons for termination to try to avoid paying higher unemployment insurance rates. File your claim and let Washington ESD decide.

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I didn't know employers had to pay more if their workers get unemployment. That explains a lot.

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Exactly. Their unemployment insurance rates can go up based on how many former employees receive benefits, so some try to contest claims even when they shouldn't.

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If your claim gets denied initially, don't give up! You have the right to appeal the decision. I had to appeal mine and won after providing more documentation about my termination.

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How long does the appeal process take?

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Mine took about 6 weeks from when I filed the appeal to when I got the decision. You can still file weekly claims during the appeal process even if you're not receiving payments yet.

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honestly the whole washington esd system is a mess... took me forever to figure out how to even file my initial claim online. the website is so confusing

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The online system can definitely be overwhelming at first. Take your time filling it out and make sure you answer all questions honestly and completely.

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yeah I guess... just wish they made it more user friendly for people who are already stressed about losing their job

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Pro tip: when you file your claim, be very detailed in the section where they ask why you're no longer working. Don't just put 'fired' - explain the circumstances and your perspective on what happened.

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Should I mention that I think the firing was unfair or keep it factual?

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Stick to facts but definitely include your perspective. You can say you disagree with the employer's assessment without being confrontational about it.

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I used Claimyr when I couldn't get through to ESD about my adjudication issue. Worked great - got connected to an agent within minutes instead of spending hours on hold. Definitely worth it if you need to speak to someone urgently.

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Ok I'm convinced. Going to try this Claimyr thing since the regular phone system is useless.

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Good choice. The demo video they have really shows you exactly how it works so you know what to expect.

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Remember that even if you get approved, there's usually a one-week waiting period before you receive your first payment. So don't panic if you don't get money right away.

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Is that waiting week paid eventually or do you just lose it?

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You just lose that first week - it's an unpaid waiting period. But after that, if you're approved, you'll get paid for each week you file and are eligible.

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The most important thing is to file your weekly claims every week even if your initial claim is still being processed. If you miss filing a weekly claim, you can lose benefits for that week.

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What day of the week do you have to file the weekly claims?

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You can file starting on Sunday for the previous week. I always do mine on Sunday morning so I don't forget. Set a reminder on your phone!

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good luck with your claim! getting fired sucks but at least unemployment benefits can help bridge the gap while you find something new. just be honest about everything and you should be fine.

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Thanks for all the advice everyone! I'm going to file my claim today and see what happens.

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That's the right attitude. The worst they can do is say no, but based on what you've described, you have a good chance of getting approved.

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unemployment saved my life when i got fired. took like 3 weeks to get approved but the money helped so much

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Three weeks isn't too bad. I was worried it might take months.

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I work at WorkSource and see people in your situation all the time. Being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you - it really depends on the specific circumstances. Make sure to register with WorkSource too since you'll need that for your job search requirements.

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Do I need to register with WorkSource before filing my UI claim or can I do it after?

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You can do it after filing your claim, but don't wait too long. You'll need to show active job search activities for your weekly claims.

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Performance issues are definitely not misconduct in most cases. I got fired for not meeting call center metrics and still got approved. The adjudicator said as long as I was trying and following procedures, it wasn't my fault that I couldn't keep up with their unrealistic expectations.

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This gives me hope! My situation sounds really similar - they had pretty unrealistic sales targets.

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Yeah, employers can't set impossible standards and then claim it's misconduct when people can't meet them. That's not how it works.

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Just want to add that if you do get denied initially, don't give up! The appeal process exists for a reason and lots of people win their appeals. You'll get a phone hearing where you can explain your side of the story directly to a judge.

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Good to know there's still hope even if the first decision doesn't go my way. Thanks for all the encouragement everyone!

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The appeal hearing is your chance to present evidence and testimony. Many cases that get denied initially are overturned on appeal when people can tell their full story.

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One thing to remember - even if you were partially at fault, you might still qualify for benefits. Washington ESD doesn't require you to be completely blameless, just that it wasn't willful misconduct.

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That's interesting - I thought it was all or nothing. So even if I made some mistakes they might still approve me?

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Exactly. Making mistakes isn't the same as misconduct. They look at whether you were deliberately trying to harm the employer or willfully violating policies.

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The whole process can be stressful but it's worth fighting for if you think you deserve benefits. I spent weeks gathering documentation and ended up winning my appeal. Sometimes that Claimyr thing helps too if you need to talk to someone at Washington ESD about your case.

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I'm definitely going to file and see what happens. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and advice!

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Good luck! Remember to file your weekly claims even during adjudication so you don't miss out on any benefits you're entitled to.

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Bottom line - file your claim. Worst case scenario they say no and you're in the same position you're in now. Best case you get financial support while you look for new work. No reason not to try.

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Very true! Nothing to lose by applying. Going to start the application process today.

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