Will my disabled adult child's Social Security benefits increase when child-in-care benefits decrease due to earnings?
I'm trying to figure out how the Family Maximum Benefit (FMB) works with multiple beneficiaries when earnings come into play. My situation is complicated: I'll be filing for my retirement benefits next year. My calculations show my PIA will be around $2,700. I have a disabled adult child (DAC) who would qualify for benefits on my record, and my wife would qualify for child-in-care (CIC) benefits while caring for our DAC. Here's what's confusing me: I understand that initially, my DAC would get 50% of my PIA, and my wife would also get 50% for CIC. But once both are collecting, the 175% FMB limit kicks in, reducing both to about 37.5% each (according to opensocialsecurity.com). But what happens if my wife works and her earnings reduce her CIC benefit? Let's say her earnings reduce her benefit to only 15% of my PIA - does my DAC's benefit increase back up toward 50%, or does it stay capped at 37.5% regardless? I thought if one beneficiary's amount goes down, the other beneficiary can get more without exceeding the FMB. But opensocialsecurity.com seems to calculate it differently. Can anyone clarify how this actually works?
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Mei Lin
This is a great question about Family Maximum Benefit calculations! You're partially right, but there are some nuances to understand. When your wife's CIC benefit is reduced due to earnings, your DAC's benefit CAN increase, but only up to the point where the total family benefits reach the FMB limit of 175%. The system will automatically recalculate and redistribute the available benefits. Here's how it would work in your scenario: If your wife's benefit drops to 15% of your PIA due to earnings, your DAC's benefit could potentially increase from 37.5% up to 50%, as long as the total (your wife's 15% + your DAC's benefit + your benefit) doesn't exceed the FMB. However, there's a catch - the DAC benefit can never exceed 50% of your PIA, even if there's "room" under the FMB. So in your case, your DAC's benefit would increase, but only up to the maximum 50% of your PIA.
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Jamal Wilson
•Thank you for the clarification! So if I understand correctly, as my wife's CIC benefit reduces due to her earnings, my DAC's benefit would gradually increase from 37.5% back toward 50%, but never exceed 50%? And this happens automatically, or do I need to contact SSA to have them recalculate?
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Liam Fitzgerald
opensocialsecurity is usually right but sometimes the calculators don't handle these complex family benefit situations perfect. i had kind of similar issue with my disabled son and ex-wife getting benefits. what happened was when my ex's benefits went down because of her job, my son's went up automatically. SSA just recalulated it on their own.
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Jamal Wilson
•That's helpful to know it happened automatically in your case. Did your son's benefit eventually reach the full 50%, or did it stop increasing at some point?
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GalacticGuru
The SSA automatically adjusts benefits when someone in the family has their benefits reduced due to earnings. But remember that it takes time for their systems to catch up! My daughter's benefits didn't increase until 3 months after my husband's benefits decreased from working. Also, the FMB is adjusted annually with cost-of-living increases, which can change the calculations slightly each year.
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Liam Fitzgerald
•ya thats true! i forgot to mention it took like 2 months for my sons benefits to go up after my ex started working more. and then they sent a backpay for the difference.
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Amara Nnamani
I think you're getting confused between two different concepts. The 175% FMB limit and the 50% benefit rate are separate things. Your DAC gets 50% of your PIA, and your wife gets 50% of your PIA for CIC benefits. That's 100% + 50% + 50% = 200%, which exceeds the 175% FMB. So everyone except you gets proportionally reduced. When your wife's benefit gets reduced due to earnings, that doesn't affect the FMB calculation directly. The 175% limit is still in place, but now there's more room under that limit for your DAC. So yes, your DAC's benefit would increase as your wife's decreases, potentially back to the full 50% if your wife's benefit is reduced enough. I had to deal with this exact situation. Once my spouse's CIC benefit reduced to about 20% due to earnings, my DAC's benefit was automatically increased to the full 50%.
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Jamal Wilson
•Thank you for sharing your experience! That makes so much more sense now. So the FMB stays fixed at 175%, but as my wife's portion decreases due to earnings, my DAC can receive more (up to their maximum 50%). This is exactly the clarification I was looking for.
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Giovanni Mancini
Just to add a bit more info - the Family Maximum Benefit is calculated based on the worker's Primary Insurance Amount using a formula that gives a result around 150-180% of the PIA. The EXACT percentage varies based on your specific earnings record, so it might not be exactly 175% in your case. If you want to see the exact FMB for your situation, you can check your Social Security statement or call SSA directly. I've been trying to reach them about a similar issue for WEEKS and keep getting disconnected. Frustrating!
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Fatima Al-Suwaidi
•I had the same frustration trying to reach SSA about my family benefits calculation. I finally used Claimyr.com to get through to them - it worked on my first try! They connect you directly to an SSA agent by phone. They have a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. It saved me hours of frustration and I got my family maximum benefit questions answered within 30 minutes. Just thought I'd mention it since these family benefit calculations can be so confusing without talking to someone directly.
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Dylan Cooper
U NEED TO BE SUPER CAREFUL with these calculations!!! SSA made a HUGE error with my family's benefits and it took 9 MONTHS to fix!!!! They didn't automatically adjust my son's benefits when my spouse's went down due to work. We had to fight and fight and finally got a meeting with a technical expert who fixed it. DON'T ASSUME they'll do it right automatically!!!! Check your benefit amounts EVERY MONTH and if they don't increase when they should, CALL IMMEDIATELY!!!
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Jamal Wilson
•Oh no, that sounds like a nightmare! I'll definitely keep a close eye on the benefit amounts each month. Would you recommend I proactively contact them when my wife starts working, or just wait and see if they adjust correctly?
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GalacticGuru
To answer your follow-up question - I think it's definitely worth proactively calling SSA when your wife starts working to make sure they're aware of the situation. But honestly, what helped us most was keeping good records of all her earnings reports and confirmation numbers. That way, when the benefits didn't adjust properly, we had documentation showing we'd reported everything correctly.
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Dylan Cooper
•YES!!! DOCUMENTATION IS EVERYTHING!!! Take screenshots of online reports, get confirmation #s, and ask for everything in writing!!! Our case was only resolved because I had PROOF of every earning report we submitted!!!
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Giovanni Mancini
One more thing I just thought of - the opensocialsecurity.com calculator is primarily designed for retirement benefit optimization, not necessarily for complex family benefit scenarios with disability benefits and earnings tests. That might be why it's not showing what you expect. For your specific situation with a DAC, I'd recommend using the SSA's own calculators or speaking directly with them for the most accurate information.
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Amara Nnamani
•That's a good point. These third-party calculators are great tools, but they don't always capture the full complexity of family benefit calculations, especially with disability benefits in the mix. The SSA's systems actually recalculate family benefits monthly based on reported earnings, which is something most online calculators can't simulate accurately.
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