Confused about widow benefits from Social Security - missed 6 months of payments after husband's death
Hi everyone, I'm new here and feeling pretty frustrated with myself. My husband passed away in January 2023 and I was under the impression I needed to wait until I turned 60 (in August 2024) to apply for widow's benefits. When I finally went to the SSA office last month, the agent told me I could have been receiving survivor benefits immediately after his death due to our situation. That's nearly 20 months of income I missed out on! I have three questions that are keeping me up at night: 1. Is there ANY way to claim those missed payments from the SSA? That's a significant amount of money that would really help with medical bills. 2. The agent also advised me not to start drawing my own SS retirement until I turn 70, saying my benefit might exceed the widow benefit by then. Does this advice make sense? I'm so confused about whether this is the right strategy. 3. Is it ever possible to collect both my own retirement benefit AND the survivor benefit from my husband? We both worked full careers and paid into the system for over 35 years each. I feel like I'm getting conflicting information every time I talk to someone different. Any advice from those who've navigated this would be so appreciated.
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QuantumQuasar
I'm so sorry for your loss. To answer your questions based on my experience: 1. Unfortunately, Social Security typically only provides 6 months of retroactive benefits from the date you apply. So while you can't get all 20 months back, you might be able to get 6 months of back payments if you formally apply right away. 2. Yes, that advice about waiting until 70 for your own benefit is generally sound. You can take the survivor benefit now and switch to your own retirement benefit at 70 when it reaches its maximum amount. This is one of the few remaining "claim now, claim more later" strategies still available. 3. No, you can't receive both benefits simultaneously at their full amounts. You'll receive the higher of the two benefits. However, the strategy in point #2 allows you to receive survivor benefits now and then switch to your own (presumably higher) retirement benefit later.
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Yara Elias
•Thank you so much for this clear explanation. I had no idea about the 6 months retroactive possibility! I'm going to call SSA first thing tomorrow. Do you know if I need specific documentation to request those retroactive payments?
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Keisha Jackson
OMG the exact same thing happened to my sister!!! She lost out on like 8 months of payments because nobody told her she could apply right away after her husband died. The whole system is DESIGNED to keep us from getting what we deserve. They should be REQUIRED to notify eligible widows automatically instead of making us figure it out ourselves!!!!!
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Paolo Moretti
•Yeah its crazy how they expect everyone to just know all these complicated rules. My mom missed out on benefits too. System is broken.
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Amina Diop
I was in a similar situation a few years ago, and here's what I learned through the process: 1. Request for retroactive benefits: You can get up to 6 months of retroactive benefits from your application date, but not the full 20 months. File immediately to minimize further losses. 2. Maximizing benefits strategy: The agent gave you good advice. This approach is called "restricted application" in SSA terminology. By taking the survivor benefit now and switching to your own retirement benefit at 70, you'll maximize your lifetime benefits. Your own benefit grows by 8% per year between FRA and age 70. 3. Dual entitlement: While you can't receive full amounts of both benefits simultaneously, you might receive a combination that equals the higher of the two benefits. It's called "deemed filing" - essentially you'll get the higher of the two. Be sure to ask specifically about the "restricted application for survivor benefits" when you talk to SSA. Not all representatives understand these strategies fully.
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Oliver Weber
•This strategy worked great for my aunt. She took the survivor benefit at 60 and then switched to her own retirement benefit at 70. Now she gets about $800 more per month than if she had just taken her own benefit early. Definitely worth waiting!
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Natasha Romanova
sorry about your husband passing. when my wife died i had so much trouble trying to get ahold of someone at social security to help me figure out the survivor stuff. kept getting busy signals and disconnected. my neighbor told me about a service called claimyr.com that got me through to a real person at SSA in like 20 minutes instead of waiting for hours. they have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU really helped me get things sorted out. wish I'd known about it sooner.
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Yara Elias
•Thank you for sharing this. I've been trying for days to get through to someone about the retroactive benefits and keep getting disconnected. I'll check this service out tomorrow.
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NebulaNinja
Just to add some clarity on your questions: 1. Retroactive benefits: As others mentioned, SSA limits retroactive payments to 6 months for survivor benefits. File Form SSA-1724-F8 (Application for Survivor Benefits) ASAP. Bring your marriage certificate, spouse's death certificate, and both Social Security numbers. 2. Waiting strategy: YES, this is correct. Survivor benefits can be taken as early as age 60 (reduced) or at your FRA (full amount). Your own retirement benefit increases until age 70. Taking survivor benefits now doesn't affect your own benefit's growth. 3. Combined benefits: You'll receive an amount equal to the higher of the two benefits, not both combined. However, if your survivor benefit is higher than your retirement benefit at FRA but lower than your age 70 benefit, the optimal strategy is exactly what was suggested - take survivor now, switch to your own at 70. One more important note: If you're still working, be aware of the earnings limit. In 2025, if you're under FRA and earn more than $22,750, your survivor benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit.
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Keisha Jackson
•Omg I didn't know about the earnings limit!! Does that apply FOREVER or just until you hit full retirement age??? I'm 61 and still working but getting survivor benefits!!
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NebulaNinja
•The earnings limit only applies until you reach your Full Retirement Age (FRA). Once you hit FRA, you can earn any amount without reduction to your benefits. For those born 1960 or later, FRA is 67 for retirement benefits and 66 and 2 months for survivor benefits.
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Paolo Moretti
My dad worked at social security for 30 years and he always said they don't tell people about benefits on purpose to save money. you gotta fight for what your owed.
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Yara Elias
•That's extremely disheartening to hear, but confirms my suspicions. I've been diligently paying into the system for decades and feel like I'm having to jump through hoops to get what we're entitled to.
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Oliver Weber
I dealt with this exact situation when my husband passed in 2022. What helped me most was keeping detailed notes during every call with SSA. They told me different things each time until I started saying "on my last call on [date] with representative [name], I was told XYZ." Suddenly they became much more consistent. Also, I'd recommend applying for the 6-month retroactive benefits in person at your local office if possible. Bring ALL documentation (marriage certificate, death certificate, tax returns, your ID, etc). I got much better results face-to-face than over the phone.
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Yara Elias
•Thank you for this practical advice. I'll start keeping a call log right away. My local office is nearly an hour drive, but it sounds worth it to go in person with all my documentation rather than trying to handle this over the phone.
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Amina Diop
I want to clarify something important about survivor benefits that hasn't been mentioned yet. If your husband had already started receiving his Social Security retirement benefits before passing, your survivor benefit would be based on what he was receiving. If he hadn't started benefits yet, your survivor benefit would be based on what he would have received at his full retirement age. This can make a significant difference in your benefit amount. Do you know if your husband had already started his Social Security benefits before he passed?
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Yara Elias
•Yes, he had started his benefits about 3 years before he passed. He claimed at 63 because of some health concerns, which unfortunately proved warranted. Does that mean my survivor benefit is permanently reduced because he claimed early?
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Amina Diop
•In most cases, yes - your survivor benefit would be based on his reduced benefit amount. However, there's a special rule called the "widow's limit" that might help. If his reduced benefit was less than 82.5% of his full retirement age benefit, your survivor benefit might be slightly higher than what he was receiving. This is something specific to discuss with SSA when you apply. Bring any award letters he received if you have them.
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Javier Gomez
When my husband died last year I was told I couldn't apply for widow benefits until 60 too! Then my daughter who works in elder law told me that's only for reduced benefits and I could get them earlier since we had a disabled child. Sounds like maybe you had a similar situation? The whole system is so confusing. I had to fight for my back pay but eventually got 4 months. They said they couldn't go back further because of some rule. The lady at my local office was super helpful though once I got an appointment. Better than trying to call!!
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Keisha Jackson
•This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about!!! They deliberately keep these rules confusing so people don't claim what they deserve. I bet they save MILLIONS by keeping people in the dark!!
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NebulaNinja
Just to add one more important consideration - taxes. Survivor benefits are potentially taxable depending on your other income. If your provisional income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + 1/2 of Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, up to 85% of your benefits may be taxable. With your strategy of claiming survivor benefits now and switching to your own at 70, consider how your income might change over time and whether it makes sense to have additional tax withholding from your benefit payments. Form W-4V allows you to request voluntary withholding from Social Security.
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Yara Elias
•I hadn't even thought about the tax implications. I'm still working part-time and have some investment income as well. I'll definitely ask about Form W-4V when I go in to apply. Thank you for bringing this up!
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