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Can my incarcerated brother collect Social Security survivor benefits after his wife died?

My brother has been in prison for the last 3 years (drug charges) and has about 2 more years to serve. His wife just passed away unexpectedly last month at age 58. They were married for 22 years. Someone at the prison told him he might be eligible for some kind of survivor benefits from Social Security, but I'm confused about whether being incarcerated disqualifies him completely. Does anyone know if he can apply for survivor benefits while in prison, or would he have to wait until he's released? Does the money just accumulate somewhere until he gets out? He's 61 now and didn't have much work history before going in. I'm trying to help him figure out what he'll have when he's released.

Unfortunately, Social Security benefits (including survivor benefits) are generally suspended when someone is incarcerated for more than 30 continuous days. This is a standard rule that applies to retirement, disability, AND survivor benefits. Your brother cannot receive survivor benefits while he's still in prison. The benefits don't accumulate during incarceration either - they're simply not payable during that period. However, once he's released, he could potentially apply for survivor benefits if he meets other eligibility requirements. Since he'll be over 60 when released, and was married for well over the required 9 months, he would likely qualify based on his deceased wife's work record. I'd recommend he contact Social Security about 3 months before his release date to start the application process. He'll need his wife's death certificate and their marriage certificate, among other documents.

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Thank you so much for explaining! That makes sense, though it's disappointing the benefits don't accumulate. Do you know if there's anything he needs to do now to protect his future eligibility, or can he just wait until he's closer to getting out? I'm worried about him missing some deadline since she just passed.

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I went thru something similar with my cousin who was locked up when his dad died. SSA ABSOLUTELY will NOT pay anyone in prison - not retirement, survivors, NOTHING!!! The system is designed to punish people even after they serve their time. Its disgusting how they treat people. And NO the money does NOT build up for when he gets out - he just loses all those potential payments forever!!!

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While I understand your frustration, there is actually some logic behind this policy. The purpose of Social Security benefits is to provide financial support for basic needs like food and shelter. Since incarcerated individuals have these basic needs provided by the correctional facility (paid for by taxpayers), it would essentially be double-dipping to also receive Social Security benefits. But I agree that the system could do more to help people transition back to society after release. Perhaps a modified benefit structure during the reentry period would be more effective.

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wait can't he get like a lump sum death benefit though? i thought that was different from the monthly checks. its only like $255 but still something

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Good question! The $255 lump-sum death payment typically goes to a surviving spouse who was living with the deceased. But since your brother was incarcerated and not living with his wife when she passed, he likely wouldn't qualify for this particular benefit. If they had dependent children under 18, the payment could go to them instead.

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My brother-in-law ran into this exact situation!!!! He lost out on almost 4 years of survivor benefits while in jail. Once he got out, he went to the SSA office with all his paperwork and was able to start getting monthly checks based on his late wife's record. But let me tell you, getting through to someone at Social Security was IMPOSSIBLE. Took him weeks of calling and getting disconnected. Total nightmare on top of everything else he was dealing with.

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I had the same experience trying to help my mother file for widower benefits - spent 3 days just trying to get through on the phone! Finally discovered Claimyr (claimyr.com) which actually got me connected to a real SSA agent in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Made a huge difference for us since the local office was booked months out. Might be worth looking into when your brother is getting close to release.

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Thank you for sharing your experience. That's exactly what I'm worried about - him getting released and then having to deal with paperwork and phone calls when he's trying to get back on his feet. I'll definitely check out that website when it's closer to his release date.

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As others have mentioned, he won't be able to receive benefits while incarcerated. But there's an important step he should take now: he should make sure the Social Security Administration knows about his wife's death. While he can't receive benefits in prison, having this information on file might help streamline his application process when he's released. Also, when he does apply after release, he should know that survivor benefits taken before his full retirement age will be reduced. At age 63 (his approximate age at release), the reduction would be around 19% from what he'd receive at his full retirement age (probably 67 for his birth year). If his own work history is very limited, survivor benefits might be his best option regardless of the reduction.

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That's really helpful information about reporting her death now. I didn't even think about the reduced benefits for taking them early. Do you know if there's any way for someone in prison to request information about what their benefit amounts might be with different options? Or is that something he'll just have to figure out when he gets out?

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One additional point that hasn't been mentioned yet: when your brother is released, he should apply for survivor benefits promptly. There's a limited retroactivity period for survivor benefits (usually 6 months), so he doesn't want to delay applying once he's eligible again. Also, while he can't receive benefits in prison, the months he's incarcerated after age 62 might still count as "disability freeze" months, which could potentially help his own retirement benefit calculation if he ever has enough work credits to qualify on his own record. But given what you've described about his limited work history, survivor benefits will likely be more advantageous anyway.

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what's a disability freeze?? never heard of that

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To answer the question about the "disability freeze" - it's a provision that excludes periods of disability from the calculation of your benefits, so those years of little or no earnings don't drag down your average. However, it typically applies to people who qualify for disability benefits, not necessarily to those who are incarcerated. I may have been incorrect in suggesting it would apply in this situation.

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Thanks for clarifying! There's so much to learn about these benefits. I'm starting to think I should be taking notes on all this so I can help him navigate everything when he gets out. It seems like the best approach is just to wait until he's close to release and then help him apply right away.

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Just FYI - make sure he brings TWO forms of ID when he goes to apply after he gets out. My relative forgot his second ID and they made him come back which was a whole other ordeal with transportation and taking more time off work.

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That's a great practical tip, thank you! I'll make sure he knows he needs multiple forms of ID. I bet getting proper identification after being released is a whole challenge in itself.

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