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Can my aunt claim Social Security survivor benefits 10 years after my uncle's death with backpay?

Hi everyone, I'm trying to help my aunt figure out her Social Security situation. My uncle passed away about 10 years ago when he was 77. My aunt is quite a bit younger than him (she's 68 now) and she continued working after his death. She just recently stopped working and hasn't applied for Social Security benefits yet. I'm wondering if she's entitled to survivor benefits based on my uncle's record even though it's been 10 years since he passed? And if she is eligible, can she receive any back payments for the years she didn't claim? I'm not sure if it matters, but she earned quite a bit more than my uncle did during their working years. She's meeting with SSA next month but I wanted to help her prepare. Thanks for any advice!

Carmen Reyes

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Yes, your aunt is likely eligible for survivor benefits, even 10 years after your uncle's passing. However, backpay is typically limited to 6 months maximum for survivor benefits, so she wouldn't receive 10 years of payments. At 68, she's already past her Full Retirement Age (FRA), which is important. Since she's past FRA, she can actually file for survivor benefits while letting her own retirement benefits continue growing until age 70, which would maximize her monthly amount. This is called a restricted application strategy. The fact that she earned more than your uncle might mean her own benefit would be higher, but it's still worth checking both options. She should bring her marriage certificate, his death certificate, and his Social Security number to her appointment.

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StarSurfer

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Thank you! I didn't realize she could potentially take survivor benefits now and switch to her own later. Do you know if the 6-month backpay starts from when she applies? So if she applies next month, would she get 6 months of payments retroactively?

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Andre Moreau

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I thought you could get more than 6 months backpay?? When my mom died they gave my dad like 2 years of payments or something. Maybe its different for widows vs widowers??? Also she should definately check both amounts bcause sometimes the survivor benefit is more even if u earned more. My neighbors wife got more from her husbands record even tho she was a nurse and he was a janitor. SSA dosent always calculate things how you expect!!!

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The backpay rules are often confused. For retirement and spousal benefits, you can get up to 6 months of retroactive benefits (but only for months after FRA). For survivor benefits, it's 12 months maximum retroactive benefits. SSI has different rules entirely. Your dad's situation might have involved something else - perhaps a delayed application processing or an appeal. But the standard retroactive period for survivor benefits is 12 months maximum, not 10 years unfortunately.

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My husband died 8 years ago and I just claimed survivor benefits last year. They only gave me 12 months of back payments, not the full 8 years. Was disappointing but thats the rule apparently.

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Mei Chen

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I see some confusion about backpay in the responses. Let me clarify: For survivor benefits, the maximum retroactive benefits is 12 months from the application date, not 6 months. So if your aunt applies next month, she could potentially receive up to 12 months of past survivor benefits, but unfortunately not for the entire 10 years. The bigger question is whether she should take survivor benefits at all. Since she earned more than your uncle, her own retirement benefit might be higher. However, there's a strategy worth considering: 1. Take the survivor benefit now (at 68, she's past her FRA) 2. Let her own retirement benefit continue growing until age 70 (it increases by 8% per year from FRA to 70) 3. At age 70, switch to her own retirement benefit if it's higher This is one of the few remaining "claim now, claim more later" strategies still available. Your aunt should absolutely ask about this specific strategy at her appointment.

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StarSurfer

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'll make sure she asks specifically about that strategy. Is there anything special she needs to say when she applies to make sure they understand she wants to restrict her application to just survivor benefits?

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CosmicCadet

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Just wanna say good luck to your aunt! I had such a hard time when i was trying to figure all this out after my wife passed. The hold times on the SSA phone line were RIDICULOUS. Waited 3.5 hours once and then got disconnected! so frustrating

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Amara Adeyemi

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THE SSA LIES ALL THE TIME!!! Make sure your aunt INSISTS on reviewing BOTH her survivor benefit and her own record!!! My mother in law was told she wasn't eligible for survivors when she WAS - had to get a supervisor involved and suddenly she was eligible for an extra $600/month!!! THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY YOU WHAT YOUR OWED!!!

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Mei Chen

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While I understand your frustration, it's more likely a case of undertrained staff than deliberate deception. Social Security rules are incredibly complex, especially when it comes to survivor benefits and the interaction with retirement benefits. That said, your advice to insist on reviewing both benefit options is excellent. Anyone in this situation should ask to see the calculated amount for both their own retirement benefit and the survivor benefit. Get the calculations in writing if possible.

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One important thing that hasn't been mentioned: When your aunt goes to her appointment, she should specifically use the phrase "I want to file a restricted application for survivor benefits only." This precise language matters. Also, the fact that she never applied for her own retirement benefits works in her favor for this strategy. If she had already filed for her own benefits, she wouldn't be able to use this approach. At 68, she's eligible for 108% of your uncle's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) as a survivor benefit (assuming her FRA for survivor benefits was 66). This is because she delayed claiming survivors past her FRA. Finally, she should bring: - Marriage certificate - Uncle's death certificate - Both Social Security numbers - Her bank account info for direct deposit - Her birth certificate Good luck!

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StarSurfer

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Thank you for the specific phrase to use! That's exactly the kind of advice I was hoping for. I'll make sure she brings all those documents to her appointment next month.

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When my sister was dealing with survivor benefits last year they kept asking her if she wanted to apply for both retirement and survivors at the same time. she had to keep saying NO just survivors! they seemed confused by it so definitely have your aunt be really clear about wanting ONLY survivor benefits now.

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ive been on SS for 15 yrs now and one thing i learned is always double check their math! my check was wrong for 3 yrs before i figured it out. they did give me backpay for their mistake tho so thats good.

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Carmen Reyes

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This is great advice. The SSA handles millions of beneficiaries, and while they generally get things right, mistakes do happen. Always review your benefit calculation statement and keep records of your earnings history. For the original poster's aunt, she should ask for a detailed explanation of how both her retirement benefit and potential survivor benefit are calculated. Understanding these calculations can help catch any potential errors.

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Nia Williams

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Just wanted to add one more practical tip for your aunt's appointment: If possible, try to schedule it for early morning or right when the office opens. SSA offices tend to get busier as the day goes on, and the staff are usually more patient and thorough in the morning. Also, if the first representative seems unsure about the restricted application strategy, don't hesitate to ask to speak with a supervisor or claims specialist. This strategy isn't commonly used anymore since the rules changed in 2016, so some newer staff might not be familiar with it. Your aunt's situation (never having filed for her own benefits and being past FRA) is one of the rare cases where it still applies. One last thing - have her write down all the key numbers they give her during the appointment. It's easy to forget the exact benefit amounts when you're processing a lot of information, and you'll want to compare the survivor benefit amount to what her own benefit would be at age 70.

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This is excellent practical advice! I hadn't thought about the timing of the appointment, but that makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely suggest she schedule early in the day. The point about asking for a supervisor if the first rep seems unsure is really important too. From all these responses, it sounds like this restricted application strategy is pretty specific and not something every SSA employee deals with regularly. I'd rather have her be persistent and get the right information than walk away with incorrect advice. I'll make sure she brings a notebook to write everything down. With all the numbers and options they'll be discussing, it would be easy to get confused later. Thank you for thinking of these practical details - this is exactly the kind of preparation advice I was hoping to get for her!

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