Can I get spousal benefit top-up when my SS is $300 less than half my husband's? Also confused about disabled adult child benefits
I need some advice about Social Security benefits but want to stay anonymous since I'm not sure who might recognize me here. My situation: My husband started collecting Social Security at his Full Retirement Age and maximized his benefit amount. I started taking mine early at 64, so I'm receiving less than my FRA amount. Looking at our numbers, my monthly benefit is $300 less than half of what my husband gets. Two questions: 1) Would I qualify for the spousal "top-up" benefit to bring me to 50% of his amount? And if so, do I need to apply for it, or does SSA automatically add it? We just received our Medicare premium notices for January, which got me thinking about this. 2) My husband has an adult son from a previous relationship who became disabled as a teenager and has been receiving SSI. When my husband retired (the son was around 27 at that time), we told his mother to contact Social Security about potentially increasing her son's benefits. The mother is also receiving SSI currently. Would the son's benefits convert from SSI to Disabled Adult Child (DAC) benefits based on my husband's record? And if so, would that somehow affect my eligibility for the spousal top-up I mentioned above? I definitely want his son to receive all benefits he's entitled to - just trying to understand how everything works together.
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Ev Luca
For your first question - yes, you should be eligible for a spousal top-up since your benefit is less than 50% of your husband's. This is called the "excess spousal benefit." But it's NOT automatic - you have to apply for it at SSA. Some people mistakenly think SSA automatically calculates and adds this, but they don't. You should contact them ASAP because they may owe you back payments if you were eligible before now. Regarding your second question, yes, your husband's son would likely convert from SSI to DAC (Disabled Adult Child) benefits under your husband's record if he became disabled before age 22. This is actually better for him because DAC benefits are typically higher than SSI and don't have the same strict income and resource limits. The mother's SSI doesn't affect this conversion.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•Thank you for explaining! I had no idea I needed to actually apply for the top-up. Do you know if there's a specific form I need to fill out? And will this affect my Medicare premium at all? And that's good news about my stepson. So if he converts to DAC, would that reduce my husband's benefit amount at all? Or is it completely separate?
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Avery Davis
my situation was kinda like yours but different amounts. i started getting ss at 62 (big mistake lol) and my husband got his at 66. when i called about the spousal benefit they said i could get like $120 more a month but i had to go to the office to apply for it. they didnt just add it on automatically which is stupid imo
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•Thanks for sharing your experience. So frustrating they don't just automatically add it! Did they give you any back pay for the months you were eligible but didn't receive it?
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Collins Angel
Your husband's disabled son should definitely apply for DAC benefits based on your husband's work record. This is governed under Section 202(d) of the Social Security Act. The requirements are: 1) he must be unmarried, 2) he must have become disabled before age 22, and 3) he must meet the definition of disability for adults. Importantly, DAC benefits are NOT affected by the Family Maximum when it comes to spousal benefits. So you getting your spousal top-up would not reduce what his son receives, and vice versa. Your husband's primary benefit also remains unchanged. One critical note: If his son switches from SSI to DAC, he'll likely qualify for Medicare after a 24-month waiting period, but he might lose Medicaid if he's currently receiving it with SSI. Some states have programs to help DAC beneficiaries maintain Medicaid eligibility.
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Marcelle Drum
•This medicaid thing is REALLY important!! My sister's kid lost medicaid when switching to DAC and it was a NIGHTMARE getting it back even tho they qualified for both! The SSA people didn't warn us AT ALL about this happening!!
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Tate Jensen
I had so much trouble reaching SSA to ask about my spousal benefits last year. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent in about 15 minutes instead of waiting on hold forever. They have a demo video at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU that shows how it works. After months of trying to reach someone, it was so worth it to finally talk to someone who could help with my application.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•Thanks for the suggestion! I've been dreading making that call because of the wait times. I'll check this out because I definitely need to talk to someone about both of these issues.
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Adaline Wong
just wanna point out that if his son gets DAC (which is better than SSI) the mom might see her SSI reduced if they live together. SSI counts household income differently so she might need to prepare for that change.
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Gabriel Ruiz
•Omg YES. This happened to my cousin's family. The disabled son got more money with DAC but the mom's SSI went down because of household income rules. They ended up WORSE financially for like 6 months until they figured out all the paperwork!!
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Collins Angel
To address your Medicare premium question - claiming the spousal top-up won't directly change your Medicare premium. Medicare premiums are based on your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) from your tax return from 2 years ago. So if the additional income from the top-up doesn't push your total household income into a higher IRMAA bracket, your premium won't change. And yes, you should definitely pursue any back payments. When you apply for the spousal benefit, SSA can pay up to 6 months of retroactive benefits, so don't delay in contacting them.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•This is so helpful! I'm making notes of all these details before I call. It sounds like I need to act quickly to not lose more potential back payments. Thank you!
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Avery Davis
btw when you go in for the spousal topup make sure you bring EVERYTHING with you... birth certificates, marriage certificate, death certificates if any previous spouses, divorce papers, etc. they made me come back TWICE because they wanted more paperwork even though they already had everything in their system from when i applied for my own ss!!
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Marcelle Drum
•The paperwork is INSANE!! They lost my marriage certificate TWICE and then had the nerve to tell me I needed to pay $35 to get another official copy! I asked to speak to a supervisor and miraculously they "found" it in their files. 🙄
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Ev Luca
One more important point about the DAC benefits for your husband's son: When he converts from SSI to DAC, he'll receive a benefit equal to 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) while your husband is alive. If your husband passes away, the son's benefit would increase to 75% of your husband's PIA. This conversion won't affect your spousal top-up at all, as the family maximum typically doesn't apply in these situations. Both you and the son can receive your full entitled benefits without reducing each other's amounts.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•Thank you for this clarification! It's a relief to know that everyone can receive their full benefits. I'm going to suggest to my husband that we contact his ex about getting this DAC application started for their son too. Sounds like it would be better for him in the long run.
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