Can I claim Social Security survivor benefits from husband's brief SS coverage with WEP and teacher pension?
I'm trying to figure out if I'd be eligible for any Social Security survivor benefits if my husband passes away. He's been primarily a teacher for most of his career (about 18 years total), but there's a gap in his teaching history that has me confused about benefits. He taught for 15 years, then withdrew his pension contributions when he left the district. He worked in another state for 3 years where he paid into Social Security, then returned to teaching at his original district where he's now rebuilding his pension. I've been a stay-at-home mom for 18 years (kids are grown now), so I don't have much Social Security built up myself. Would I qualify for any survivor benefits based on those 3 years he paid into Social Security? Does the WEP or GPO affect survivor benefits in this situation? I'm completely lost trying to understand all these rules.
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Aaliyah Jackson
This is a complicated situation with both the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO) potentially at play. With only 3 years of Social Security coverage, your husband likely doesn't have enough quarters (40 required) to qualify for his own retirement benefits. However, survivor benefits only require that the deceased was "fully insured" which can happen with as little as 6 quarters in some cases. As his widow, you might be eligible for survivor benefits, but they would likely be reduced by the Government Pension Offset if you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security. The GPO would reduce your survivor benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Thank you for explaining! I'm still confused though - I don't have a pension of my own (I was a stay-at-home mom), but my husband does have a teacher's pension. Would the GPO still reduce what I could receive as a survivor? And would he even qualify as "fully insured" with just 3 years of Social Security contributions?
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KylieRose
my sister in law went thru something kinda like this. her hubby was a firefighter with pension and didnt have enough SS quarters. when he died she got NOTHING from social security bcuz of that GPO thing. its so unfair to homemakers!! check if your state had totalization agreements maybe?
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Giovanni Rossi
•Oh no, that's what I'm afraid of! I had no idea I might not get anything. I've devoted my entire adult life to raising our family and now I'm worried about having no safety net. What are totalization agreements? Would that help in my case?
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Miguel Hernández
Let me clarify a few things here that might help you understand your situation better: 1. For survivor benefits, your husband would need at least 6 credits (1.5 years of work) if he died at a young age, or up to 40 credits (10 years) if he died at full retirement age or older. With 3 years of SS-covered work, he likely has around 12 credits, which might be enough depending on his age. 2. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) only applies if YOU receive a pension from non-SS-covered employment. Since you were a homemaker, GPO wouldn't affect your benefits. 3. The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) would reduce your husband's own retirement benefits because of his teacher's pension, but WEP doesn't apply to survivor benefits. 4. The bigger issue might be the amount of survivor benefits available based on just 3 years of Social Security contributions - it would likely be quite small. I'd recommend calling SSA directly to get a personalized analysis of your situation.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Thank you so much for that detailed explanation! That gives me some hope. So if I understand correctly, I could potentially receive survivor benefits not reduced by GPO since I don't have my own pension. But the benefit amount might be small because my husband only contributed to SS for 3 years. I'll definitely call SSA to get specifics for our situation.
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Sasha Ivanov
I've been trying to reach SSA for weeks about a similar GPO issue and can't get through!!! Keep getting disconnected or waiting on hold forever. So frustrating!!! Has anyone found a better way to actually talk to a human at Social Security??
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Liam Murphy
•I had the same problem last month trying to sort out my WEP reduction. After wasting hours on hold, I used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an agent in about 20 minutes instead of hours. They have a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. It was so much better than spending my whole day on hold just to get disconnected.
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Amara Okafor
DONT TRUST WHAT PEOPLE SAY ON HERE!!! Go to your local SS office with all your husbands work records. My neighbor thought she'd get survivors benefits and found out she didnt qualify. These rules change ALL THE TIME and what applied 5 years ago might not apply now.
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Giovanni Rossi
•You're right, I should definitely get official information. It's so confusing trying to figure this out, and every situation seems different. I'll gather his employment records and try to make an appointment.
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CaptainAwesome
Another option to consider - if your husband continues working in SS-covered employment for a few more years, he could potentially reach the 40 credits needed for full benefits. If that's not possible, you might want to look into whether you could qualify for benefits based on your own work history by going back to work for a few years. Some women in similar situations find that working even part-time for 10 years can establish their own benefit eligibility. Also, does your husband's current teaching position allow for voluntary Social Security participation? Some school districts offer this option.
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Giovanni Rossi
•That's a really good suggestion about me going back to work. I've been thinking about it anyway now that the kids are gone. I'm not sure if his district allows voluntary SS participation, but I'll definitely ask him to check. It would be nice to have more options for security in the future.
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KylieRose
wait i just thought of something - have you checked if you qualify for mother's benefits? or are your kids all over 16 already?
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Giovanni Rossi
•Our kids are all adults now (youngest is 22), so I don't think mother's benefits would apply in my case. But thank you for the suggestion!
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Aaliyah Jackson
I want to add one important point: if you're worried about future financial security, now is a good time to start planning beyond potential Social Security benefits. Since your husband has a pension and you're considering returning to work, you might want to explore opening a catch-up IRA or other retirement vehicles. Many stay-at-home parents face this situation, and there are financial strategies specifically designed for people who've been out of the workforce. Regarding your original question, when you speak with SSA, ask specifically about the "minimum survivor benefit" which might apply in cases with limited covered employment.
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Giovanni Rossi
•Thank you for mentioning the "minimum survivor benefit" - I hadn't heard of that term and will definitely ask about it. And you're absolutely right about planning beyond Social Security. I've been thinking about our retirement planning more seriously lately. I'll look into catch-up IRA options as well. Really appreciate the advice!
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