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Social Security survivor benefits calculation - does 'one check rule' exist for disability to FRA conversion?

My father recently passed away at 61 after battling cancer. He had applied for SSDI under the compassionate allowance program and only received a single payment before his death last month. Now I'm trying to help my mom figure out her survivor benefits, and we're confused about how they'll calculate her amount. I've read that survivor benefits are typically based on what the deceased would have received at their full retirement age (FRA). But since my dad had already been approved for disability and received one payment, does that change the calculation? My mom is 60 and wondering if there's some exception or special rule when someone only received a single disability payment before passing. I've heard various confusing explanations - one SSA rep told her the calculation would use his disability amount, but another mentioned something about a rule related to having received 'minimal payments' that might allow using his PIA at FRA instead, which would be higher. Has anyone navigated this specific situation? Are there any lesser-known rules about how survivor benefits are calculated when the deceased only received one or very few disability payments? My mom is trying to plan her finances and the difference between these calculations is about $430 monthly. Thanks for any guidance!

One practical suggestion: Have your mother request an appointment with a Technical Expert at her local Social Security office, not just a regular claims representative. Technical Experts have more advanced training on these complex benefit calculation scenarios and can provide detailed explanations of how her specific benefit was calculated. Make sure she brings documentation of your father's disability approval, death certificate, and any correspondence about benefits. Ask specifically for a written explanation of how her survivor benefit was calculated and have them document any questions about alternative calculations in her file. If she believes there's been a mistake, she can request a reconsideration, but be aware these are rarely successful without clear evidence of a calculation error.

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That's excellent advice - I didn't know about Technical Experts. I'll help her schedule that appointment. Would it be helpful to bring anything else to that meeting?

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Yes, also bring any award letters your father received showing his approved disability amount, his Social Security statements (if available), and your mother's own Social Security statement. Also helpful: a list of specific questions written down, including asking about any potentially applicable exceptions or limitations like WIB-LIM. Being prepared with specific questions helps ensure you get complete answers.

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Just want to add my two cents that whatever amount they calculate, your mom should double-check it. When I got survivor benefits they miscalculated the first time and it was almost $300 less than it should have been! I had to fight with them for 3 months to get it fixed and get backpay.

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Social Security earnings limit gone after FRA - why is my 76-year-old mother still worried about income limits?

My mother is 76 and working part-time at a local library. Someone at her senior center told her she can't earn more than $18,000 this year or it would affect her Social Security benefits. I thought there was no earnings limit after full retirement age? She's stressed about this and thinking of cutting back her hours. I told her I'm pretty sure that's wrong info, but now she's worried about her tax situation changing or something. Can anyone clarify if there are ANY income limits for someone her age receiving Social Security? She's been on SS since she was 66.

Please tell your mother that whoever told her this is COMPLETELY WRONG! I wish the SSA would do more to educate people about this because this misconception causes so many seniors to limit their work unnecessarily. I'm 71 and make over $60K at my consulting job and get EVERY PENNY of my Social Security without reduction. The person who told her this was probably confusing the earnings limit that applies BEFORE full retirement age with the tax situation that can happen at ANY age.

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wow 60k is awesome at 71! good for u! my mom stopped working at 65 cuz she was scared about this exact thing. wish she knew better back then...

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Just to add some specific numbers to help your mom understand her tax situation, since that's probably what her friend was confusing with benefit reductions: - Single filers with combined income between $25,000-$34,000 may have up to 50% of SS benefits subject to tax - Single filers with combined income above $34,000 may have up to 85% of SS benefits subject to tax "Combined income" means adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + 1/2 of Social Security benefits. But again, this is just about how much of her SS might be taxable on her tax return. It has absolutely no effect on the amount of her monthly benefit check from Social Security.

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Thank you for the specific numbers! This helps a lot. I think what happened is someone at her senior center mentioned the tax thresholds, and then in conversation it got transformed into a benefit reduction, which scared her. I'll show her these specific amounts so she can better understand her situation.

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Social Security timing advice for 62-year-old with young kids and much younger spouse

I met with a former colleague (62) yesterday who's trying to decide when to claim SS benefits. His situation seems really unique and now I'm wondering what would actually be best for him. He retired last year but his wife is only 45 and still working in the same profession (likely to earn more than he did eventually). They have two kids ages 8 and 15. I know the standard advice is usually to wait until FRA or even 70 for higher benefits, but with young kids involved, I'm confused about the best strategy. If he passes away, I believe his kids would get survivor benefits until they're 18, right? But would waiting to claim increase those potential survivor benefits? And I don't think his wife would qualify for spousal benefits for a long time due to the age gap. Anyone have experience with this kind of age difference and dependent children situation? What claiming age makes the most sense?

Tell your friend he should look at his life expectancy. Everyone here is assuming he'll live a long time but what if he doesn't? My dad waited to claim and then only got benefits for 4 years before he passed. If he claims at 62, that's 8 years of benefits he'd get before 70. That's a lot of money! And another thing - what about spousal benefits for his wife? His wife has to be 62 to claim those I think so that's a long way off. But once she reaches that age it's based on his PIA so if he takes early it won't affect her spousal amount I'm pretty sure.

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There's a correction needed here: spousal benefits ARE affected if he claims early. While her spousal benefit would be based on his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), if she claims spousal benefits early (before her FRA), her amount would be reduced. Additionally, survivor benefits for both children and the spouse would be permanently reduced if he claims early. Given the 17-year age difference and children involved, this creates a very long potential benefit period where the higher amount would be valuable.

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Thank you all for the incredible advice! I spoke with my friend today and shared your insights. He was surprised to learn about how his claiming age would affect potential survivor benefits for both his kids AND his wife. He's going to try using the Claimyr service to actually speak with someone at SSA about his specific numbers. He's now leaning toward waiting until at least his FRA, possibly longer. The family maximum benefit concept was new to him too. It sounds like the best approach is to get actual calculations from SSA for different claiming scenarios to see the real impact on total family benefits. Really appreciate all your help with this unusual situation!

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Glad we could help! It's definitely worth getting those specific calculations. When we did that, seeing the actual dollar amounts made the decision much clearer. The difference between filing at 62 vs waiting can be substantial when multiplied across multiple beneficiaries over many years.

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Social Security Fairness Act - do GOP-affected widow benefits require new SS appointments?

I lost my husband in 2023 and I've been receiving only about 1/3 of his Social Security because of the Government Pension Offset (GPO). My own pension from teaching for 31 years apparently disqualified me from getting his full survivor benefit. I just read that the Social Security Fairness Act passed and the SSA website says people like me who are ALREADY receiving reduced benefits don't need to do anything - they'll automatically adjust our payments starting in 2025. Here's where I'm confused. My friend (who thinks she knows everything about SS) had lunch with me yesterday and insisted her neighbor who works at SSA told her that widows affected by GPO absolutely MUST make appointments immediately or we'll "miss the window" to get our proper benefit amounts. She was really pushy about it, even offering to drive me to the appointment. I tried calling SSA to confirm but of course couldn't get through. Has anyone else who's affected by GPO heard anything about needing to make special appointments? The website seems pretty clear that they'll handle it automatically, but now I'm worried I'm missing something important.

I got widowed in 2019 and got hit with the GPO too because of my federal pension. I actually called my local office last week about something else and asked about this while I had them on the phone. The rep specifically said I don't need to do anything since I'm already getting the reduced amount. She said they'll be adjusting everyone automatically starting in 2025 and it'll happen in phases over 3 years.

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how did u even get someone on the phone??? i try calling my local office and it always sends me to the national number where i sit on hold forever

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I called right when they opened at 9am on a Wednesday. Still waited like 45 minutes but eventually got through. Seems like mid-week mornings might be slightly better.

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Thank you all for the responses! This has been incredibly helpful. I'm going to ignore my friend's advice and trust that SSA will adjust my benefits automatically as their website states. I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge - it's given me peace of mind knowing I'm not missing some crucial deadline. I might try that Claimyr service just to get official confirmation from SSA, but it sounds like I'm already doing everything right by simply waiting for the automatic adjustment in 2025.

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Can I claim SS spousal benefits if approved for Medicare through ex-spouse in 2009? GPO concerns

I'm really confused about my eligibility for Social Security benefits through my ex-spouse. Back in 2009, I was approved for Medicare based on my ex-husband's work record. I didn't receive any Social Security benefits at that time because I hadn't contributed to the system myself (no SS taken out of my paychecks). I remember being told I couldn't get half of his monthly SS amount because of the Government Pension Offset (GPO) since I had a pension from non-covered employment. Now I'm wondering - since SSA already approved me for Medicare through my ex in 2009, does that mean they already have my marriage and divorce documents on file? I'm thinking about applying for spousal benefits now but dreading having to track down all those old documents again. Has anyone gone through a similar situation? Would I need to resubmit all that paperwork?

btw OP, make sure you actually file an application even if you think you might not get anything. sometimes people are surprised by the result and if you dont file you definitely get nothing

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This is excellent advice. Always file an application when you think you might be eligible. If you're denied, you'll receive a formal determination that explains why, which is valuable information. If you're approved for even a small amount, it could increase over time with COLA adjustments.

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Update: I called SSA this morning (got through after only 45 minutes!) and they confirmed they do still have my marriage and divorce records on file from when I applied for Medicare. The representative ran some preliminary numbers and thinks I might get about $75/month after the GPO reduction. Not a fortune but better than nothing! I have an appointment next week to file the formal application. Thanks everyone for your help!

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That's great news! $75/month is $900 a year you didn't have before. Glad you were able to get through to them relatively quickly too!

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