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One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand how Social Security defines "earnings" for the earnings test. They count gross wages and net self-employment income, but there are some nuances that might affect your planning. For example, if you get a bonus or commission payment in 2025 for work you did in 2024, Social Security counts that toward your 2025 earnings limit even though the work was done in a previous year. Similarly, if you have any deferred compensation or salary that gets paid out, that typically counts too. On the flip side, things like employer contributions to your 401(k), health insurance premiums paid by your employer, and certain fringe benefits don't count toward the earnings limit. Since you mentioned your boss wants you to take on more hours and you're trying to plan carefully, it might be worth asking about the structure of any additional compensation - whether it's straight hourly wages, includes bonuses, has any deferred components, etc. This could help you be more precise in your calculations for those crucial January-May months. The SSA publication "How Work Affects Your Benefits" (Publication No. 05-10069) has all the detailed rules if you want to dive deeper into what counts and what doesn't.

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This is incredibly thorough information about what counts as "earnings" - thank you! I definitely need to ask my boss about the structure of any additional pay. We sometimes get year-end bonuses in January for the previous year's work, and I never realized that would count toward my 2025 limit even though it was for 2024 work. That could really throw off my calculations if I'm not careful. I'll also check out that SSA publication you mentioned - sounds like there are a lot of nuances I should understand before committing to extra hours. Better to be over-prepared than accidentally mess up my benefits!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding the earnings limits! I'm in a similar situation (turning FRA next year) and had no idea about some of these nuances. A few additional points that might help others: 1. If you're married and file jointly, make sure your spouse understands that only YOUR earnings count toward the limit - their income doesn't affect your Social Security benefits under the earnings test. 2. For those who are self-employed, the calculation can be trickier since you need to use net self-employment income rather than gross wages. Make sure you're tracking business expenses carefully. 3. I learned the hard way that if you do go over the limit, Social Security will ask you to estimate your earnings for the following year too. They want to avoid future overpayments, so be prepared for that conversation. The advice about reporting expected earnings in advance through the SSA website is gold - I wish I had known about that option earlier. It really does help smooth out the process and avoid those dreaded overpayment notices. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences, especially the practical tips about pay timing and bonus structures!

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Thanks for adding those extra points! The one about spouse's income not counting is really important - I bet a lot of couples worry unnecessarily about that. Your point about self-employment income being net rather than gross is crucial too, since that can make a big difference in the calculations. I'm curious about your experience with the overpayment situation - when Social Security asked you to estimate the following year's earnings, did they give you any guidance on how to make that estimate? I'm wondering if they expect you to be conservative or if they have tools to help with projections. Since I'm just learning about all these rules, I want to avoid any surprises down the road! Also, does anyone know if there are any penalties for significantly underestimating your earnings when you report them in advance, or do they just adjust as needed throughout the year?

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One more important thing to consider: while benefits are reduced if you earn over the limit before FRA, you actually get those reduced benefits back later. SSA recalculates your benefit amount when you reach FRA to account for months when benefits were withheld. So you're not permanently losing that money - it's more like a delay in receiving it. This is called the Adjustment to the Reduction Factor (ARF). The information in section 202(x) of the Social Security Handbook explains this recalculation. Your monthly benefit will increase starting at FRA to account for those months when you received reduced or no benefits due to excess earnings.

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This is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the earnings test! It's essentially a deferral, not a permanent reduction. Though for most people who need the income soon after claiming, having benefits withheld is still problematic even if they eventually get credited back at FRA.

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Just wanted to add from my own experience - make sure you understand the timing of when SSA actually processes these changes. When I retired mid-year, it took them several months to adjust my benefits for the monthly earnings test. I had to call multiple times to get it sorted out, and they had to do retroactive adjustments. The system isn't always quick to recognize when you've actually stopped working, so keep detailed records of your last day of work and be prepared to provide documentation if needed. Also, if you're planning to do any consulting or part-time work after you "retire," make sure you understand how that income gets counted too!

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That's really good to know about the processing delays! I hadn't thought about the administrative side of this. When you say "detailed records," what specific documentation did you need to provide to SSA? I'm wondering if I should start keeping pay stubs, a resignation letter, or something else to prove my exact last day of work. Also, did the retroactive adjustments work in your favor, or did you end up owing money back during that processing period?

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Thank you all so much for the helpful responses! This is much more complicated than I thought, but I understand better now. I'm going to run some calculations to see whether taking my small benefit early is worth the permanent reduction to my eventual spousal benefit. Since we have some savings, I might be able to wait until my FRA. I'll definitely try to speak with SSA directly to get exact numbers for my situation before making a final decision.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - you might want to consider whether you qualify for any other benefits while waiting. If your income is low enough, you could potentially qualify for programs like SNAP, Medicaid, or utility assistance during those years between 62 and your FRA. Sometimes these benefits can help bridge the gap financially, making it more feasible to wait for the higher Social Security payments. Also, don't forget that if you do take your benefit early at 62, you'll be subject to the earnings test if you're still working. In 2024, you can only earn up to $22,320 without having benefits reduced. Just another factor to consider in your planning! Good luck with your decision - it sounds like you're being very thoughtful about weighing all the options.

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I'm currently going through this exact same process - retiring at 65 before FRA while trying to navigate the earnings test! Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. One thing I learned from my financial advisor that might be useful: if you're planning to have any consulting income or part-time work after you "retire," make sure to factor that into your earnings projections too. I almost forgot to include some freelance work I was planning to do, which would have put me over the limit unexpectedly. Also, regarding the gap month issue - something that worked for me was timing my final paycheck and any PTO payout strategically. My HR department was flexible about when they processed my final vacation payout, which helped me stay under the monthly limit for my first benefit month. The SSA-131 form mentioned earlier is definitely important - I had to revise mine twice because my initial earnings estimate was way off. Better to overestimate than underestimate if you're unsure! Good luck with your retirement planning - it sounds like you're being very thorough in thinking through all the details.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! The point about consulting income is really important - I hadn't thought about that since my wife might do some freelance graphic design work after retiring. We'll definitely need to factor that into our projections. That's smart about timing the PTO payout strategically. I wonder if my wife could ask HR to process her vacation pay in May instead of April? That might help reduce how much she goes over the annual limit. It's reassuring to hear from someone going through the same process. This whole earnings test situation seemed so overwhelming at first, but all these responses have made it much clearer. Best of luck with your retirement too!

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who recently went through this process with my spouse. We faced a similar situation where we both were retiring before FRA with different earnings scenarios. One thing that really helped us was creating a simple spreadsheet to track different scenarios - starting benefits in different months and calculating the projected withholding amounts. This made it much easier to visualize the financial impact of each option. Also, regarding the application timing - we submitted our applications exactly 3 months early as recommended, but I'd suggest following up about 6 weeks before your desired start date to make sure everything is processing correctly. We had a small hiccup with some paperwork that could have delayed things if we hadn't checked in. For the vacation payout timing issue - definitely worth asking HR about flexibility. Many companies can be accommodating about when they process final payments, especially if you explain it's for Social Security coordination purposes. Even shifting it by a few days into the next month could make a difference in your calculations. The recalculation explanation after FRA is spot-on and really important to understand. It helped us feel much more comfortable about starting benefits even knowing some would be withheld initially.

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This is all such great advice! I'm just starting to research Social Security options as I'm planning to retire next year at 64, and honestly I had no idea the earnings test was this complicated. The spreadsheet idea sounds brilliant - I'm definitely going to create one to model different scenarios. And I never would have thought to follow up 6 weeks before the start date to check on processing. That's the kind of practical tip that could save a lot of headaches! One question for everyone who's been through this - did any of you run into issues with how SSA counts different types of income? I'm wondering about things like severance pay or deferred compensation that might get paid out when I retire. Do those count toward the earnings limit the same way regular salary does? Thanks for sharing all these real-world experiences - it's so much more helpful than trying to decipher the official SSA publications!

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I'm going to create my my Social Security account today to check my projected benefit amounts and the family maximum. Then I'll try to speak with an SSA representative to get exact figures before making my decision. The mix of health issues, raising two kids, and long-term financial planning makes this complicated, but your advice has been invaluable in understanding how this works!

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That's a good plan. Get those specific numbers and make your decision based on your unique situation. Best of luck with everything!

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Just wanted to add something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - as a widower with dependent children, you might also want to look into survivor benefits for your kids based on your late wife's work record. If she was eligible for Social Security, your children could potentially receive survivor benefits that might be higher than the dependent benefits they'd get from your record. You can't receive both types of benefits simultaneously, but you can choose whichever is higher. This could significantly impact your decision about when to file for your own retirement benefits. The SSA can help you compare both options when you speak with them.

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This is such an important point that I hadn't even considered! I definitely need to look into survivor benefits based on my wife's work record. She worked full-time for about 15 years before she passed, so there might be benefits available there. Do you know if I can apply for survivor benefits for the kids even if I'm also filing for my own retirement benefits? Or would I need to choose one or the other for myself while the kids could potentially get both evaluated?

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