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Caden Nguyen

Can I get PA UC benefits if I quit due to unsafe working conditions (no fire sprinklers)?

I'm facing a serious safety issue at my workplace and wondering if I'd qualify for PA unemployment if I quit. I've been the Operations Manager at a hotel for about 2 years, and we've had a non-functioning fire sprinkler system since February (3 months now). I just found out from our fire monitoring vendor that ownership hasn't paid their invoice since March, and we're likely to get a visit from the Fire Marshal soon. I've brought this up repeatedly with the owners, but they keep delaying repairs. Working in a 6-story building with no fire suppression system feels incredibly unsafe, especially since we have guests staying here! If I quit because of these unsafe conditions, would I be eligible for PA unemployment while I search for a new position? Has anyone successfully claimed UC benefits after leaving a job due to safety concerns?

Avery Flores

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Yes, you might qualify under what PA UC calls a 'necessitous and compelling reason' to quit. Safety hazards definitely can qualify! But document EVERYTHING before quitting. Send emails to management about the safety concerns, keep copies of those communications, note dates of verbal discussions, get something in writing from the fire monitoring company if possible. PA will want proof that 1) a genuine safety hazard existed, 2) you brought it to management's attention and gave them reasonable time to fix it, and 3) quitting was your only reasonable option. Also file a complaint with OSHA before quitting - this strengthens your case tremendously.

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Caden Nguyen

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Thank you! I do have email chains going back to March where I raised these concerns. Would a screenshot of text messages work too? I have those from when the fire panel vendor called me directly because they couldn't reach ownership.

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Zoe Gonzalez

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omg that is SO dangerous!!!! i wouldnt even go to work there another day tbh, what if theres a fire??? but make sure u have another job lined up first, UC takes FOREVER to get approved these days

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Ashley Adams

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This is terrible advice. Don't just quit without proper documentation and following the process. If you don't, you could be denied benefits and stuck with no income. As someone who works in hospitality management, I'd recommend reporting this to the local Fire Marshal immediately - they can issue citations and force compliance, which might solve your problem without having to quit at all.

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I'm dealing with something similar at my factory job (faulty emergency exits). I contacted PA Dept of Labor & Industry AND filed an OSHA complaint. The OSHA route got fastest action. For UC, you need to prove you tried to preserve your employment before quitting. So send a formal email stating your concerns and that you'll need to resign if it's not addressed within X days for your own safety. In my case, I got approved for benefits, but it took 8 weeks with an appeal hearing where I showed all my documentation. The hearing ref specifically mentioned that my OSHA complaint helped prove I wasn't just making up reasons to quit.

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Caden Nguyen

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8 weeks is a long time to wait... did you get backpay for those weeks once approved? And did you have to keep filing weekly claims during that time even though you weren't getting paid yet?

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Aaron Lee

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Just call the fire marshall anonymously & let them handle it. Why quit a good job??

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Because if there's an actual fire and people die, OP could potentially face liability as a manager who knew about the situation. Plus, it sounds like the owners are having financial problems if they're not paying vendors. That's a huge red flag that there might be bigger issues coming (like missed payroll).

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I'm a former UC claims examiner. This falls under Section 402(b) of the PA UC Law - voluntary quit with necessitous and compelling reason. Safety hazards can qualify, BUT you need to follow these exact steps: 1. Report the hazard to OSHA and the Fire Marshal immediately (paper trail is crucial) 2. Notify management in writing of the safety issue and give them a reasonable timeframe to fix it 3. If they don't fix it, explain in writing that you must resign due to the safety hazard During your UC interview, emphasize that you had no alternative but to quit for your safety and the safety of others. Expect the employer to fight your claim. Be prepared for an appeal hearing. Bring all documentation. Success rates are much higher when you have official safety complaints filed before quitting. One last thing - if you're offered a determination interview by phone, TAKE IT. Don't miss that call or you'll likely be denied automatically.

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Michael Adams

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Caden Nguyen

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Update: Thank you all for your advice! I filed an OSHA complaint yesterday and also emailed upper management with a formal notice giving them 10 days to address the fire system issue. I also contacted the Fire Marshal who is planning an inspection next week. I'm documenting everything carefully in case I need to quit and file for UC. I'll keep you posted on what happens.

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Avery Flores

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Smart approach! One more tip: if you do end up quitting, make sure your resignation letter explicitly states that you're quitting due to the unresolved safety hazard. Don't say anything about finding another job or other reasons - keep it focused solely on the safety issue as your reason for leaving.

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Zoe Gonzalez

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my cousin works for the fire dept and says hotels can get shut down for this!!! u might not even have a job soon if they get inspected lol

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Caden Nguyen

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That's actually a good point I hadn't considered... if they get shut down, would that count as a layoff instead of me quitting? Would that make UC benefits easier to get?

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To answer your follow-up question: Yes, if the Fire Marshal closes the hotel and you're laid off as a result, that would be considered a lack of work situation, which is much more straightforward for UC benefits. You wouldn't have the burden of proving good cause for quitting since you didn't quit. However, if you're in management, make sure you document that you reported the issue and weren't responsible for the non-compliance, as that could potentially affect eligibility if you were deemed to have control over the situation that led to the closure.

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Caden Nguyen

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Thank you! This is really helpful information. I'll wait to see what happens with the Fire Marshal inspection. Maybe this will resolve itself without me having to quit.

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Ruby Blake

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I went through something similar last year when my warehouse had blocked emergency exits. A few things to add to the great advice already given: 1) Take photos of the non-functioning fire sprinkler system and any related documentation if you can safely do so - visual evidence is powerful in UC hearings. 2) If you have coworkers who are also concerned, see if they'll provide written statements about the safety issue. 3) Keep a daily log of any safety incidents or near-misses that occur while the system is down. The more documentation you have showing this is an ongoing, serious hazard, the stronger your UC case will be. Also, PA UC benefits have been taking 4-6 weeks to process even straightforward claims lately, so make sure you have some savings to tide you over if you do quit. Good luck and stay safe!

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Sofia Ramirez

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This is excellent advice, especially about the photos and coworker statements! I hadn't thought about documenting near-misses. We actually had a small kitchen fire last month that could have been much worse without proper sprinklers. I should definitely document that incident too. The savings tip is really important - I've been hearing horror stories about how long UC claims are taking these days. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Aria Khan

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As someone who's helped colleagues through the UC process, I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet: make sure you understand PA's "suitable work" requirements if you do get approved for benefits. Since you're in management, UC might expect you to accept management-level positions during your job search, not just any hospitality job. This could affect your benefit duration if you turn down offers they consider "suitable." Also, given that you've been in this role for 2 years, you should qualify for the maximum 26 weeks of benefits if approved. One more practical tip: start gathering your employment documents now (pay stubs, W-2s, etc.) because you'll need them for your UC application, and if the hotel does get shut down by the Fire Marshal, it might be harder to get those documents later. The fact that you're taking all the right steps with OSHA and documentation puts you in a strong position either way this resolves.

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Caleb Stone

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I hadn't considered the "suitable work" requirements - that's a great point about management-level positions. I'm already gathering my employment documents just in case. Quick question: if the hotel does get shut down temporarily and then reopens after fixing the fire system, would I be expected to return to my job there, or could I continue looking for other opportunities while on UC? I'm honestly not sure I want to work for owners who let safety issues go unaddressed for months, even if they eventually fix them.

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