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Yuki Kobayashi

Can you own a business and collect unemployment benefits from NYS Department of Labor?

I'm really confused about something and hoping someone here can help clarify. I lost my main W-2 job back in December but I also have a small LLC that I started a few years ago that barely makes any money (maybe $200-300 some months, nothing others). When I filed my unemployment claim with NYS Department of Labor, I mentioned the business but now I'm worried I messed something up. The business income is so minimal it doesn't even cover my basic expenses. Am I allowed to collect UI benefits while technically owning this business? I've been doing my weekly claims but I'm stressed they might say I'm not eligible. Has anyone dealt with this situation before?

Yes, you can own a business and collect unemployment in New York, but there are specific rules. The key is that your business income can't exceed your weekly benefit rate, and you need to report all earnings on your weekly claims. Since you're making so little from the LLC, you should be fine as long as you're reporting everything accurately. The NYS Department of Labor will look at whether the business prevents you from being available for full-time work.

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Thank you! That's exactly what I was worried about. I have been reporting the income when I get it, but some weeks it's zero. Should I still mark that I'm self-employed even on weeks with no income?

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ugh this is so confusing!! i have a side business too and when i filed they asked all these questions about it that i didnt really understand. like what does "substantially engaged" even mean? i just sell stuff on etsy occasionally

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Substantially engaged usually means spending significant time on the business activities that would interfere with looking for work. Occasional Etsy sales probably wouldn't qualify as substantially engaged, but you still need to report any income.

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I went through this exact situation last year. The trick is being completely transparent with NYS Department of Labor about your business activities. I had to provide documentation showing my business income was minimal and that I was still actively seeking employment. They approved my claim but I had to submit additional paperwork. Just make sure you're marking yourself as available for work and actively job searching.

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What kind of documentation did they want? I'm keeping records of everything but want to make sure I have what they might ask for.

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They wanted bank statements showing business income, tax returns, and a letter explaining the nature of my business and how it didn't interfere with job searching. Also had to show I was meeting the job search requirements.

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This whole system is ridiculous. I know someone who got denied because they had a small consulting business that made like $50 a month. Meanwhile people are gaming the system in other ways and getting approved. The NYS Department of Labor seems to make arbitrary decisions sometimes.

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That doesn't sound right. If they were reporting the income correctly and it was under their benefit amount, they should have been approved. Did they appeal the decision?

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Thanks for the suggestion! I might need that if this gets complicated. Right now I'm just hoping my weekly claims keep going through without issues.

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same boat here, i have a photography business that brings in maybe $500 on a good month but most months nothing. been collecting UI for 2 months now with no problems as long as i report everything

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That's reassuring to hear! I think I'm overthinking this whole thing. As long as I keep reporting everything honestly and the amounts stay low, it sounds like I should be okay. The photography business sounds similar to my LLC - inconsistent income that's way below what would actually support me.

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I'm in a similar situation with a small online business that I started during the pandemic. From what I've learned, the main thing NYS Department of Labor cares about is whether you're "available and able to work" full-time. Since your LLC income is so minimal, you should be fine as long as you're actively job searching and reporting all income accurately. I'd recommend keeping detailed records of your business activities and income just in case they ask for documentation later. The fact that you mentioned it upfront when filing shows you're being honest, which is important. Don't stress too much - sounds like you're doing everything right!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm also dealing with a similar situation - just started collecting UI after losing my main job but I have a small tutoring business on the side that brings in maybe $100-200 some months. I've been so anxious about whether I'm doing everything correctly. It's good to know that being upfront about it when filing is the right approach. Did you have any issues with the "available and able to work" requirement? I worry they might think having any business means I'm not fully available for employment.

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@Dmitry Popov I haven t'had any issues with the available "and able to work requirement" so far. The key is showing that your business activities don t'interfere with your ability to accept full-time employment. Since tutoring is flexible and you re'only making $100-200 some months, that shouldn t'be a problem as long as you can demonstrate you re'actively job searching and would be able to take a full-time position if offered. I think the threshold they re'really looking for is whether you re'running a business that requires 40+ hours a week or generates significant income that would make you unavailable for traditional employment. Your situation sounds very similar to mine and @Yuki Kobayashi s'- minimal income side businesses that we re'transparent about. Just keep detailed records and continue reporting everything accurately on your weekly claims.

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I went through something very similar when I lost my job earlier this year. I have a small consulting business that I've been running on the side for about 3 years, and like yours, it brings in very inconsistent income - sometimes $400-500 in a month, other months absolutely nothing. When I filed my initial claim, I was completely honest about the business and provided all the details they asked for. The caseworker I spoke with explained that owning a business doesn't automatically disqualify you from UI benefits in New York. What matters is: 1) You report ALL income from the business on your weekly claims, even if it's zero, 2) Your business activities don't prevent you from being available for full-time work, and 3) You're actively job searching. Since your LLC is making such minimal income ($200-300 some months), you're definitely not at risk of exceeding your weekly benefit amount. I've been collecting for about 4 months now with no issues. The most important thing is that transparency you showed by mentioning it upfront - that works in your favor. Keep doing your weekly claims honestly and don't stress too much. Your situation sounds textbook for what they allow.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I was hoping for! Thank you @Chad Winthrope for breaking down those three key requirements so clearly. It s'really reassuring to hear from someone who s'been successfully collecting for 4 months with a similar business situation. I ve'been doing exactly what you described - reporting all income including (zero income weeks and) actively job searching, so it sounds like I m'on the right track. The fact that you mentioned the caseworker specifically explained these rules gives me confidence that NYS Department of Labor does have clear guidelines, even if they re'not always easy to find online. I think I was just overthinking because it s'such a stressful situation overall, but your experience really helps put my mind at ease.

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I'm dealing with a really similar situation right now! I have a small freelance graphic design business that I started before losing my main job in January. Some months I might make $150-400, but many months it's literally $0. When I filed my UI claim, I was so nervous about mentioning the business because I thought it would automatically disqualify me, but reading everyone's responses here is making me feel so much better about being upfront about it. I've been reporting everything on my weekly claims and marking weeks with no business income as $0. The hardest part for me has been the anxiety of not knowing if I'm doing something wrong, especially since it can take forever to get through to someone at NYS Department of Labor to ask questions. It sounds like as long as we're transparent, reporting accurately, and the income stays minimal, we should be okay. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it really helps to know we're not alone in navigating this confusing system!

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@Esmeralda Gómez I completely understand that anxiety! I m'actually in almost the exact same boat - just started collecting UI after losing my job and I have a small side business that makes very little. Reading through all these responses has been such a relief because I was convinced I was going to get in trouble somehow. It s'really helpful to see so many people successfully navigating this situation by just being honest and reporting everything accurately. The graphic design freelancing sounds a lot like my situation where the income is so sporadic and minimal. I think the key takeaway from everyone s'experiences is that NYS Department of Labor isn t'trying to trip us up - they just want transparency and to make sure we re'still available for full-time work. Hang in there, it sounds like you re'doing everything right!

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I'm going through this exact situation right now and it's been such a source of stress! I lost my full-time marketing job in March but I also have a small online store that I run as an LLC. Most months it brings in maybe $100-250, some months nothing at all. When I first filed my UI claim, I was terrified to mention the business because I thought they'd automatically deny me, but I knew I had to be honest. I've been doing my weekly claims for about 6 weeks now and reporting all income (including $0 weeks), and so far no issues. Reading everyone's experiences here is incredibly reassuring - it sounds like as long as we're transparent, keep the income reported accurately, and can show we're available for full-time work, NYS Department of Labor is reasonable about these situations. The hardest part is definitely the uncertainty and not being able to easily get clear answers from them directly. But seeing so many people successfully manage similar situations gives me confidence I'm on the right track. Thanks to everyone sharing their stories!

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@Saanvi Krishnaswami Your situation sounds so similar to mine! I m'also dealing with the stress of having a small side business while collecting UI - I have an LLC that does maybe $200-300 some months, exactly like what you re'describing. It s'such a relief to read all these experiences because I was convinced I was going to mess something up somehow. The uncertainty is definitely the worst part, especially when it s'so hard to get through to someone at NYS Department of Labor to ask questions directly. But it sounds like being upfront about it when filing and consistently reporting all income even ($0 weeks is) the right approach. I ve'been collecting for about 2 months now with no issues so far. Keep doing what you re'doing - transparency seems to be key, and your income levels are definitely in that minimal range everyone s'talking about. We ve'got this!

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I'm new to this community but found this discussion really helpful since I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation! I just started collecting UI benefits after losing my job in April, and I also have a small service-based business (pet sitting/dog walking) that brings in maybe $150-400 some months, but often nothing. Like many of you, I was super anxious about mentioning it when I filed, but I knew I had to be honest. Reading everyone's experiences here has been such a relief - it sounds like the key is just being transparent about everything and reporting all income accurately on the weekly claims. I've only been doing claims for about 3 weeks so far, but no issues yet. It's really reassuring to see so many people successfully navigating this by just being upfront about their small businesses. The income from pet sitting is so inconsistent and minimal that it definitely doesn't interfere with my job search or availability for full-time work. Thanks everyone for sharing your stories - it really helps to know I'm not the only one dealing with this kind of situation!

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@Nia Jackson Welcome to the community! Your pet sitting/dog walking business sounds exactly like the kind of minimal income side business that everyone here has been successfully managing alongside UI benefits. It s'great that you were upfront about it from the beginning - that really seems to be the key based on all these experiences. The income range you mentioned $150-400 (some months, often nothing is) very similar to what others have described, and since pet sitting is so flexible, it clearly doesn t'interfere with your availability for full-time work. You re'definitely doing the right thing by reporting everything accurately on your weekly claims. It s'so helpful having this community to share experiences because the uncertainty can be really stressful when you re'already dealing with job loss. Keep up the transparency and accurate reporting - sounds like you re'on the right track!

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I lost my main job in February but I also have a small consulting LLC that I started a couple years ago. Like many of you, it brings in very inconsistent income - maybe $300-500 some months, but often $0 for several months in a row. When I filed my initial UI claim, I was completely transparent about the business because I figured honesty was the best policy, but I've been so anxious about whether I'm doing everything correctly. Reading all your experiences has really put my mind at ease - it seems like the common thread is being upfront about the business, accurately reporting all income (including $0 weeks), and demonstrating that you're available for full-time work. I've been collecting for about 2.5 months now with no issues, and I always report my business income when I have it. The consulting work is project-based and completely flexible, so it doesn't interfere with my job search at all. It's such a relief to see so many people successfully navigating this same situation by just being honest and following the reporting requirements. Thanks everyone for sharing your stories - this community is amazing!

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@Morgan Washington Your consulting situation sounds so similar to what I m'going through! I also have project-based work that s'completely flexible, and like you said, it doesn t'interfere with job searching at all. It s'really encouraging to hear you ve'been collecting for 2.5 months without issues - that gives me confidence that being transparent from the start was the right approach. The inconsistent income pattern you described $300-500 (some months, often $0 for months is) exactly what I m'experiencing with my LLC. It s'such a relief to find this community where people are sharing these real experiences because the NYS Department of Labor website doesn t'really give clear examples of what minimal "business income looks" like in practice. Thanks for adding your story to this thread - it s'been so helpful to see that honesty and accurate reporting really does seem to be the winning strategy here!

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