Who is responsible when employees are "paid under the table" and the IRS audits?
I need some clarity on a situation that's been bothering me. A friend of mine has been working for the same small business for about 4 years now. The owner pays them with personal checks and has never provided any tax forms like W-2s or 1099s. Nothing official. The owner keeps promising year after year that they'll "get things straight" and start using a proper payroll system with direct deposits and tax withholding, but it never happens. They've even told my friend to either report the income as self-employment or just not report it at all (yikes). I'm worried about what might happen if the IRS notices this unreported income flowing into my friend's bank account. Who would be held responsible in this scenario? Would the IRS come after the employer, the employee, or both of them? How much trouble could each party be in? This is happening in North Carolina, if that makes any difference with state tax implications. I'd really appreciate some insight on how liability works in these "under the table" payment situations.
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Klaus Schmidt
This situation is unfortunately pretty common, especially in small businesses. Let me be clear though - both parties are responsible, but in different ways. The employer has broken several laws here. They're required to withhold income taxes, Social Security, and Medicare from employee wages. They also need to pay their share of these taxes. By paying "under the table," they're evading all these obligations, plus workers' comp insurance and unemployment taxes. Your friend also has legal obligations. Every taxpayer must report ALL income regardless of how it's paid. The IRS doesn't care that the employer didn't provide a W-2 - your friend still needs to report that income. If audited, both could face serious consequences. The employer would likely face larger penalties since they've systematically evaded multiple tax obligations and potentially committed tax fraud. But your friend could also face back taxes, penalties, and interest on the unreported income. The best course of action is for your friend to start properly reporting this income now, even without a W-2. They can file using Form 4852 (substitute W-2) and pay self-employment taxes. This won't completely eliminate risk, but it shows good faith effort to comply with tax laws.
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Aisha Patel
•So if my friend starts reporting the income now, can they get in trouble for the previous years they didn't report? Also, would it be better to file as self-employed or as an employee using that substitute W-2 form you mentioned?
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Klaus Schmidt
•For previous years where income wasn't reported, your friend could potentially face issues. The IRS generally looks back 3-6 years during audits, sometimes more if they suspect fraud. The best approach would be to file amended returns for those years using Form 1040X along with the substitute W-2 (Form 4852). Regarding whether to file as self-employed or employee, this depends on the actual working relationship. If your friend is truly an employee (the business controls when, where and how they work), then using Form 4852 as a substitute W-2 is more accurate. Filing as self-employed when you're really an employee is misclassification, which creates another issue. The downside is your friend would pay both the employee and employer portions of FICA taxes (15.3% total instead of 7.65% for employees).
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LilMama23
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Dmitri Volkov
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•Wait, how does this actually work? Does it just keep dialing the IRS for you or something? I've been trying to reach someone for 3 weeks about a similar issue.
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Carlos Mendoza
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Zainab Mahmoud
Just to add another perspective - I used to work in payroll and saw this situation a lot. The employer is playing with fire here. Not only could they face tax fraud charges, but in North Carolina specifically, they could also be violating state labor laws. If your friend is injured on the job, they'd have no workers' comp protection. They're not building up unemployment benefits either. And the employer is likely pocketing the 7.65% FICA contribution they should be paying on your friend's behalf. Your friend should also know that if they report this income now (which they absolutely should), they can request something called Section 3509 relief, which could reduce their tax liability since the employer failed in their obligations. But they need to clearly show they were misclassified as an independent contractor rather than an employee.
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Esmeralda Gómez
•Thanks for mentioning the Section 3509 relief - I hadn't heard of that! Would my friend need to prove they were actually an employee vs contractor to qualify? And how would they do that without any official paperwork from the employer?
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Zainab Mahmoud
•Yes, your friend would need to establish that they were truly an employee rather than an independent contractor. The IRS looks at several factors to determine this classification, primarily centered around behavior control, financial control, and relationship type. Evidence can include things like set working hours, using the employer's equipment, receiving training, being told how to do the work, being paid by the hour rather than by project, working exclusively for this employer, and any written communications that indicate an employer-employee relationship. Text messages, emails, or witness statements from coworkers can help establish these facts. They can file Form SS-8 (Determination of Worker Status) to have the IRS make an official determination of their worker classification, which can support their claim for Section 3509 relief.
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Ava Williams
Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your friend decides to start reporting this income now (which they should), they need to be prepared for potential fallout with their employer. Some employers get really defensive when workers start properly reporting income because it can trigger investigations. I've seen cases where the employee files taxes properly, then the IRS contacts the employer about missing payroll taxes, and suddenly the employee faces retaliation or even gets fired. It sucks, but it happens.
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Raj Gupta
•That's an excellent point. There are whistleblower protections for tax issues though, right? Would those apply in this situation?
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Chloe Boulanger
•There are some protections, but they're limited in this context. The main whistleblower protections for tax issues typically apply when someone reports tax fraud by their employer to the IRS for potential rewards. In this case, your friend would be correcting their own tax situation rather than actively reporting the employer. However, if the employer retaliates by firing them for properly reporting income, that could potentially violate labor laws depending on the circumstances. North Carolina is an at-will employment state, but there are still some protections against retaliatory discharge for exercising legal rights. The reality is that your friend is in a tough spot - continuing to not report income is illegal and risky, but properly reporting it might create workplace tension. That said, the legal and financial risks of continuing to hide income from the IRS far outweigh the employment risks. Better to deal with a difficult employer than face potential tax evasion charges down the road.
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Hazel Garcia
This is a really comprehensive discussion, but I wanted to add something from a practical standpoint. Your friend should also consider documenting everything they can about their employment relationship RIGHT NOW, before taking any action. This means saving any text messages, emails, or written communications with the employer about work schedules, job duties, or payment arrangements. If they have any paystubs (even handwritten ones), bank deposit records, or photos of personal checks, keep copies of everything. The reason this is so important is that if the IRS does get involved later, having contemporaneous documentation will be crucial for establishing the true nature of the working relationship. It's much harder to prove you were an employee (rather than a contractor) after the fact if you don't have evidence of things like set schedules, supervision, or use of employer equipment. Also, your friend might want to quietly start looking for other employment opportunities. Not because they should quit immediately, but because having options reduces the leverage the employer has over them if things get uncomfortable after they start properly reporting income. Sometimes the fear of retaliation keeps people trapped in these situations longer than they should be.
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Ryan Young
•This is really solid advice about documentation! I'm actually in a similar situation and hadn't thought about saving text messages about work schedules. My boss is always texting me about what time to come in or asking me to work extra hours - I guess those could be important evidence that I'm not really an independent contractor. One thing I'm wondering about though - if I start gathering all this documentation now, does that look suspicious if the IRS ever investigates? Like would they think I was planning something? Or is it just smart to have records of your working relationship regardless? Also, you mentioned looking for other jobs as a backup plan. How do you handle job interviews when your current employer has been paying you under the table? Do you have to explain the situation to potential employers, or can you just list the job experience normally?
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Geoff Richards
•Great questions! Documentation is always smart business practice, so don't worry about it looking suspicious. The IRS actually expects people to keep employment records - it shows you're being responsible, not scheming. Text messages about schedules and work duties are perfect evidence of an employer-employee relationship. For job interviews, you can absolutely list your work experience normally. You don't need to volunteer that you were paid under the table - just focus on your skills and accomplishments. If directly asked about tax documents or references, you can say something like "My current employer handles payroll informally, but I can provide work samples and discuss my responsibilities." Most employers won't dig into the payment methods of your current job during interviews. The key is to start documenting everything now while also protecting your future. Keep copies of anything that shows your boss controls when/how you work, uses company equipment, sets your schedule, etc. Even seemingly minor things like texts saying "come in early tomorrow" or "use the company truck for that delivery" help establish you're an employee, not a contractor. Also consider opening a separate savings account and setting aside money for the taxes you'll owe when you start reporting properly. This way you're financially prepared to make things right with the IRS.
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Logan Greenburg
I wanted to add something that might be helpful for your friend's situation in North Carolina specifically. The state has a voluntary disclosure program that can work alongside federal tax corrections. If your friend owes state income taxes on the unreported income, they can potentially reduce penalties by voluntarily coming forward before being audited. Also, since this has been going on for 4 years, your friend should be aware that the IRS has various programs like the "First Time Penalty Abatement" that can help reduce penalties for taxpayers who have previously been compliant but made mistakes. Given that this appears to be more about employer misclassification than intentional tax evasion on your friend's part, they might qualify for more lenient treatment. One practical tip: when your friend does start the process of correcting their taxes, they should consider working with a tax professional who has experience with worker misclassification cases. The rules around Form 4852, Section 3509 relief, and amended returns can be complex, and having professional guidance can help ensure they take advantage of all available options to minimize their liability. The most important thing is that your friend takes action sooner rather than later. Every year they wait makes the situation more complicated and potentially more expensive to resolve.
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Jason Brewer
•This is really helpful information about North Carolina's voluntary disclosure program! I didn't realize states had their own programs that could work alongside federal corrections. One question about the "First Time Penalty Abatement" - would that still apply if my friend has technically been non-compliant for multiple years, even if it wasn't intentional? Or does the IRS look at this as one continuous issue rather than separate violations for each tax year? Also, when you mention working with a tax professional experienced in worker misclassification cases, are there specific credentials or specializations I should tell my friend to look for? I want to make sure they don't end up with someone who doesn't really understand these types of situations. The timeline advice is spot on though - I can see how waiting just makes everything more complicated. Better to deal with 4 years of back taxes than let it become 5 or 6 years down the road.
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