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Saanvi Krishnaswami

Where do I input taxable amount for Roth conversion when 1099-R form is incomplete?

I'm trying to figure out my taxes after doing a mega backdoor Roth conversion for the first time and I'm completely stuck with TurboTax. I did the whole process where I rolled over my after-tax 401k to a traditional IRA first, then converted from the traditional IRA to a Roth. Now I've got this 1099-R from my traditional IRA provider with: * Box 1: $40,500 (the full rollover amount) * Box 2a: $40,500 (also the full amount) * Box 2b: Taxable amount not determined The problem is my basis in the after-tax 401k was already taxed money, so the taxable portion should just be the earnings (around $2,300), not the whole $40,500! I don't want to pay taxes on money I've already paid taxes on. When I try to enter this in TurboTax, it's defaulting to the full amount being taxable and I can't figure out where to input the correct taxable amount. I thought there would be a specific field or worksheet for this situation. Has anyone dealt with this before? I'm freaking out thinking I'll end up paying thousands in unnecessary taxes!

Demi Lagos

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What you're experiencing is a common issue with mega backdoor Roth conversions. Your 1099-R showing "taxable amount not determined" means the issuer is putting the responsibility on you to calculate the correct taxable portion. For your situation, you'll need to enter the form details first, then override the taxable amount. In TurboTax, after entering the 1099-R information, look for an option like "I'll enter the taxable amount" or "Adjust this distribution." You'll then be able to enter your actual taxable amount ($2,300 in your case) instead of the full amount. The key is to document your basis calculation carefully. Keep records showing your after-tax contributions to the 401k to prove those amounts were already taxed. This supports your position if you're ever questioned about reporting less than the full amount shown in Box 2a.

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Mason Lopez

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Thanks for that info! But what if my TurboTax doesn't seem to have that override option? I'm using the Premier version if that matters. Also, should I be getting some kind of statement from my 401k provider showing my basis, or is it something I need to calculate from my pay stubs?

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Demi Lagos

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In TurboTax Premier, after entering the 1099-R, look for a section called "Tell us more about this distribution" or something similar. There should be a question asking if the taxable amount on your 1099-R is correct - select "No" and you'll get the option to enter the correct amount. Your 401k administrator should have provided a statement showing your after-tax contributions, which establishes your basis. If not, check your final account statement before the rollover - it often separates pre-tax and after-tax contributions. As a last resort, your W-2s and pay stubs can help you reconstruct the total after-tax contributions over time.

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Vera Visnjic

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Jake Sinclair

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Does it work with H&R Block software too? That's what I'm using this year and having the same issue with my Roth conversion. Also, I'm confused about whether I need to file Form 8606 for this or not.

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How much does it cost? I'm suspicious of tax services that don't list their prices upfront. I tried using something similar last year and ended up with a huge bill at the end.

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Vera Visnjic

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Here's a useful tip I learned when dealing with Roth conversions: you should always get a statement from your 401k plan administrator before doing a mega backdoor Roth that clearly shows your after-tax contributions separate from earnings. Makes this whole process so much easier. If anyone's wondering, the reason the 1099-R shows "taxable amount not determined" is because the IRA custodian has no way of knowing your basis in the original 401k. They're essentially telling the IRS "we don't know what portion of this was already taxed.

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Ayla Kumar

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What if my plan administrator doesn't provide that kind of detailed statement? My quarterly statements don't clearly separate the after-tax contributions from the growth. Is there another way to figure out my basis?

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You can request a specialized basis statement from your 401k administrator - most have a specific form for this purpose. If they truly can't provide it (which would be unusual), you can reconstruct your basis by adding up all the after-tax contributions from your pay stubs or by looking at your W-2s. Box 12 of your W-2s won't include after-tax contributions (only pre-tax), so the difference between your total contributions and what's reported in Box 12 can help establish your after-tax amount. I'd also recommend calling the administrator directly. Sometimes the regular customer service reps don't know about these specialized reports, but if you ask specifically for a "basis statement" or "after-tax contribution history," they'll direct you to the right department.

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Anybody else think it's ridiculous that we have to jump through all these hoops just to correctly report something the IRS and financial institutions should be tracking properly? If I'm missing a field or form, I get penalized, but they can just stamp "taxable amount not determined" and make it our problem 🙄

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100% agree!! I spent like 6 hours trying to figure this out for my mega backdoor last year. And then my tax software wanted to charge me an extra $50 just to unlock the forms I needed to do it right. The whole system is designed to make us mess up so they can collect penalties.

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