What's the threshold for quarterly payments with Self employment taxes for inconsistent income?
I'm trying to figure out the whole self employment taxes situation. I've been doing some side gig work that doesn't bring in much - just a few hundred dollars annually. So far I've stayed under $800 each year. At what point am I required to start making quarterly tax payments to the IRS? The tricky part is my income is really inconsistent - some months I might make $200, then nothing for several months. Does that inconsistency affect when/if I need to make quarterly payments? I don't want to suddenly find out I was supposed to be doing something I wasn't! Thanks for any help understanding this!
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Dylan Wright
The general rule is that you need to make quarterly estimated tax payments if you expect to owe at least $1,000 in taxes for the year after subtracting your withholding and refundable credits. For self-employment specifically, you're required to pay self-employment tax when your net earnings are $400 or more. Since you're making under $800 a year, you're probably just over the $400 threshold for owing self-employment tax, but likely under the $1,000 threshold for required quarterly payments. That said, you still need to report this income on your tax return using Schedule C, and pay any self-employment tax owed with your annual filing.
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NebulaKnight
•Thanks for this explanation! So if my regular job already has enough withholding to cover my tax bill including the small self-employment income, do I still need to worry about quarterly payments at all? Or is it only if my total tax bill minus withholding exceeds $1000?
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Dylan Wright
•You've got it right - it's about your total tax situation. If your W-2 job withholding covers your entire tax liability (including taxes on your self-employment income), then you wouldn't need to make quarterly payments. The quarterly payment requirement is triggered when you expect to owe $1,000 or more at tax time after accounting for all withholding. If your self-employment income increases significantly in the future, you might want to either increase your W-2 withholding or start making quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties.
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Sofia Ramirez
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Dmitry Popov
•Does it work with all kinds of side gig incomes? I do some freelance graphic design but never get proper 1099s from my clients since they're small businesses.
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Ava Rodriguez
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Connor Murphy
Something nobody mentioned yet - if your self-employment income is that low, you might actually be eligible to use the simplified option for home office deduction if you work from home. This could reduce your self-employment income even further and possibly bring you under the $400 threshold where you'd owe self-employment tax at all.
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Yara Haddad
•Can you explain more about this simplified home office deduction? How much could it potentially reduce your self-employment income? Also, how do you prove you're actually using part of your home regularly for business?
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Connor Murphy
•The simplified method allows you to deduct $5 per square foot of your home that's used exclusively for business, up to 300 square feet. So potentially up to $1,500 deduction. For proving business use, you don't need to submit evidence with your return, but you should keep records in case of an audit. Take photos of your workspace, keep a log of when you use it, save receipts for business supplies, and document that the space is used regularly and exclusively for business. Even a small 8x10 office space can give you a $400 deduction, which could make a big difference at your income level.
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Keisha Robinson
Can someone clarify if we're talking about the same threshold for state estimated taxes too? I'm in California and heard they have different rules about when you need to pay quarterly.
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Paolo Conti
•States often have different thresholds. In California specifically, you need to make estimated tax payments if you expect to owe at least $500 in state tax after subtracting withholding and credits. So it's a lower threshold than the federal $1,000 requirement. FTB website has all the details.
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Amina Sow
Sometimes I've found that withholding a bit extra from my W-2 job is easier than dealing with quarterly payments for small self-employment income. You can file a new W-4 with your employer and just add an additional amount to be withheld from each paycheck. Way less paperwork than tracking and submitting quarterlies.
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GalaxyGazer
•This is genius! How much extra should you withhold though? Is there some formula to figure out how much self-employment tax you'll owe?
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Amina Sow
•For a rough estimate, take your expected annual self-employment income and multiply by about 15% for self-employment tax, then add whatever your marginal income tax rate is (probably 10-12% if your income is relatively low). So maybe 25-30% total. If you're making $800 a year in self-employment income, that's roughly $200-240 in additional tax. You could just have an extra $20 withheld from your paycheck each month to cover it. Much easier than filing quarterly payments!
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