What options do I have to setup a 401k plan for my single member LLC with no employees if I don't run payroll?
Hey everyone, I've got a single member LLC that I've been running for about 2 years now. Things are going pretty well financially, and I'm starting to think I should get serious about retirement planning. Currently, I don't run any payroll for myself - I just take owner's draws when needed. I'm making roughly $85,000 in profit annually and I'm starting to worry about my retirement future. I've heard about solo 401k plans but wasn't sure if that's an option since I don't have formal payroll set up. What options do I have for setting up a 401k (or similar retirement account) for my single member LLC without employees? Do I absolutely need to start running payroll? Are there specific providers you'd recommend for someone in my situation? Thanks in advance for any guidance!
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Javier Gomez
You definitely have options for retirement plans with your single member LLC! Since you don't have employees, a Solo 401k (also called an Individual 401k or One-Participant 401k) would be perfect for you. Here's the thing - you do need to have "earned income" to contribute to a Solo 401k, which typically means paying yourself either as an employee (W-2 wages) or through self-employment income. Since you're a single-member LLC, you're likely taxed as a sole proprietor by default, so your business profits already count as self-employment income on your Schedule C. With a Solo 401k, you can make contributions in two ways: as the "employee" (up to $22,500 in 2023, plus $7,500 catch-up if you're 50+) and as the "employer" (up to 25% of your compensation). This allows for potentially much higher contribution limits than an IRA. Other options include a SEP IRA or a SIMPLE IRA, but honestly, the Solo 401k typically allows for higher contribution limits in your situation.
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Emma Wilson
•This is really helpful, thanks! Quick question though - if I'm not running payroll and just taking owner's draws, does that still count as "earned income" for Solo 401k purposes? And do you know roughly how much it costs to set up and maintain one of these plans?
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Javier Gomez
•Yes, your business profits that flow through to your personal tax return (reported on Schedule C) count as earned income for Solo 401k contribution purposes. The IRS considers this self-employment income, which qualifies for retirement contributions even without formal payroll. As for costs, they vary by provider. Some like Fidelity and Vanguard offer free setup and no annual fees for basic Solo 401k plans. Other providers might charge $20-200 annually depending on the features you want. More comprehensive plans with options like Roth contributions or the ability to take loans might have higher fees, but there are definitely affordable options out there.
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Malik Thomas
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GalacticGladiator
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Omar Zaki
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Chloe Taylor
Have you considered a SEP IRA instead? When I was in your situation with my single-member LLC, I found that a SEP was way easier to set up and maintain than a Solo 401k. No year-end filing requirements with the IRS (Form 5500) once your plan assets exceed $250k like with a Solo 401k. I just make my annual contributions and that's it. The downside is lower contribution limits for most income levels compared to a Solo 401k, but the simplicity might be worth it depending on your situation. I use Vanguard for mine and the setup took maybe 20 minutes online.
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NebulaNinja
•Thanks for mentioning the SEP IRA option! Do you know what the contribution limits are compared to the Solo 401k? And is it true there's less paperwork involved? The Form 5500 requirement for Solo 401ks once you hit $250k sounds like a potential headache.
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Chloe Taylor
•For a SEP IRA, you can contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income with a maximum of $66,000 for 2023. With a Solo 401k, you can contribute $22,500 as an employee plus that same 25% of income as the employer contribution, still capped at $66,000 combined. The paperwork difference is significant. With a SEP, there's no annual filing requirement regardless of account size - just set it up once and make contributions. Solo 401ks require Form 5500-EZ filing once assets exceed $250,000, which isn't super complicated but is an extra annual task. For many small business owners, the simplicity of a SEP outweighs the potential for slightly higher contributions with a Solo 401k.
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Diego Flores
Just want to share what I did with my single member LLC - I went with the Solo 401k route through Fidelity. Super easy to set up and no fees! The big advantage over a SEP IRA for me was being able to make Roth contributions for the employee portion. Don't overthink this - call Fidelity or Vanguard, tell them you want to open a Solo 401k for your LLC, and they'll walk you through everything. You'll need your EIN and some basic business info. The whole process took me less than an hour on the phone plus maybe 15 minutes filling out forms online.
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Anastasia Ivanova
•Did you have to start running payroll for yourself to contribute to the Solo 401k? That's the part that confuses me with my LLC.
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