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What happens if a Canadian wins the Powerball lottery? Tax implications?

I've got family members who drove across the border last weekend to buy Powerball tickets, and some others are trying to use those online lottery services instead. I'm just curious - what actually happens if a Canadian like us wins the big jackpot? From what I understand, American winners get about 50% if they choose the lump sum option, then they deal with taxes when filing. But for Canadians, would we still get that 50% lump sum payout? I'm guessing we'd face some kind of withholding tax right away? And I'm wondering if there's any way to file paperwork to recover some of that withheld amount later? The jackpot is up to like 1.2 billion now, so even after all the reductions it's life-changing money, but I'm just curious about how the cross-border tax stuff works in this scenario.

Tax professional here. When a Canadian wins the US Powerball, several things happen: First, you're right about the lump sum reduction - that's not actually a tax, it's just how the prize is calculated (annuity value vs. present value). Everyone gets that same reduction regardless of citizenship. Next, as a non-US person, you'll face a 30% withholding tax that's automatically taken out before you receive your winnings. This is required by US tax law for non-resident aliens receiving US-source income. So if the lump sum is $600 million, $180 million would be withheld. Unfortunately, lottery winnings aren't covered under the US-Canada tax treaty, so you generally can't recover that 30% withholding. The good news is that Canada doesn't tax lottery winnings, so you won't face double taxation when bringing the money home.

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So does this mean Canadians actually come out ahead of Americans who win? Since Americans have to pay federal tax (up to 37%) PLUS state tax in most places, while Canadians just pay the flat 30% to the US and nothing to Canada?

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Yes, in many cases Canadians can actually take home more of their winnings than Americans who live in high-tax states. Americans face federal taxes up to 37% for the highest bracket (which lottery winners definitely hit), plus state income taxes that range from 0% to over 13% depending on where they live. A California winner, for example, would pay about 50% total in taxes, while a Canadian would pay only 30% to the US government and nothing additional to Canada. Just one of those quirky cross-border situations where being foreign can be an advantage!

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Just to add some real numbers to this discussion - friend of a friend won about $175k in a smaller US lottery jackpot a few years back. As a Canadian, they received approximately $122,500 after the 30% withholding. They consulted with accountants on both sides of the border and confirmed there was no way to recover the withheld amount, but also confirmed they didn't owe anything additional to Canada. The only complication they ran into was with their bank - bringing in a large wire transfer from the US triggered some additional verification procedures, so they had to provide the lottery documentation.

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Did they have to physically go to the US to claim the prize? I've heard for larger amounts you have to show up in person, which would be another consideration for Canadians.

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Yes, they did have to go in person to claim the prize since it was over $25k. For Powerball jackpots, you definitely have to appear in person at the lottery headquarters in the state where you purchased the ticket. They needed their passport and had to complete a W-8BEN form to certify they were not a US citizen or resident. They also mentioned that you should be prepared to open a US bank account if winning a very large sum, as it can simplify the initial transfer process. For bringing the money back to Canada, they recommended speaking with financial advisors on both sides of the border to find the most efficient method.

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Has anyone else heard that some US states don't allow foreigners to claim lottery prizes at all? I thought I read somewhere that you had to be a US citizen or permanent resident to buy tickets in certain states.

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That's actually a common misconception. Most states allow non-US citizens to claim prizes - the bigger issue is that some online lottery services aren't legal. If you physically purchase a ticket in the US, you're generally eligible to claim the prize regardless of citizenship. The confusion might be because some states have residency requirements for their STATE lotteries, but Powerball is a multi-state game with different rules. Always check the specific lottery's official rules to be certain.

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Thanks for clarifying! That's a relief. My parents live half the year in Florida and always buy tickets there, so I was worried they might not be able to claim a prize if they ever got lucky. Good to know the physical purchase is what matters rather than citizenship status.

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This is really helpful information! I had no idea that Canadians might actually come out ahead compared to Americans in high-tax states. One thing I'm curious about - if someone does win big, are there any considerations around timing the claim? Like, does it matter if you claim it in December vs January for tax purposes, or does the US withholding happen regardless of when you claim within the year? Also, for those mentioning the banking complications - has anyone looked into whether credit unions handle large international transfers differently than the big banks? I bank with a smaller credit union and I'm wondering if they'd be better or worse equipped to handle something like this.

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Great question about timing! From what I understand, the US withholding happens automatically when you claim the prize regardless of when during the year you claim it. The 30% is taken out immediately as part of the prize payout process, not as part of annual tax filing. However, there could be some Canadian tax implications to consider around timing. While lottery winnings themselves aren't taxable in Canada, any investment income you earn from those winnings afterward would be. So if you're planning to invest the money, the timing of your claim could affect which tax year that investment income starts in. As for credit unions vs big banks - I'd actually lean toward the big banks for something this large. They have more experience with international wire transfers and anti-money laundering procedures. A sudden $500M+ transfer might overwhelm a smaller credit union's compliance systems and cause delays. TD, RBC, or BMO would probably handle it more smoothly since they deal with large cross-border transactions regularly. That said, definitely talk to your financial institution beforehand if you're in this situation. They can walk you through their specific procedures for large international transfers and help you avoid any surprises.

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This is such great advice about the big banks vs credit unions! I hadn't thought about the compliance aspect, but that makes total sense. The last thing you'd want is to have your winnings tied up in additional verification procedures because your financial institution isn't equipped to handle large international transfers. One follow-up question - do you know if there are any specific documents or paperwork you should prepare ahead of time to make the banking process smoother? I imagine showing up with lottery documentation would help, but are there other forms or certifications that Canadian banks typically require for large US transfers? Also wondering if it's worth opening accounts at multiple banks to spread the risk, or if that just creates more complications with reporting requirements.

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@Brady Clean Great questions! For documentation, you ll'definitely want the official lottery payout documentation, your W-8BEN form which (certifies your non-US status ,)and probably a letter from a cross-border tax professional explaining the source of funds. Some banks also like to see proof of the tax withholding that was applied. Regarding multiple accounts - I d'actually recommend against spreading it across too many institutions initially. Each bank will have their own compliance review process, and having the same large transfer flagged at multiple institutions simultaneously could create more scrutiny. Better to establish the transfer with one major bank first, then diversify the funds afterward once they re'in the Canadian banking system. One tip I heard from someone who dealt with a smaller lottery win - notify your bank s'private banking or wealth management division ahead of time if possible. They re'more equipped to handle these situations and can often expedite the compliance review process. Regular branch staff might not know the procedures for transfers this large.

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This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm actually one of those Canadians who crossed the border last weekend to buy tickets, and I had no idea about the 30% withholding or that we might actually come out ahead compared to Americans in high-tax states. One thing I'm wondering about - if you win as a Canadian, do you need to file any paperwork with the CRA even though lottery winnings aren't taxable? I'm thinking about the reporting requirements for large foreign assets or transfers. I know there are forms like T1135 for foreign property over certain thresholds. Also, has anyone looked into whether there are any provincial considerations? I'm in Ontario, and I'm wondering if there are any provincial reporting requirements or if it's purely federal since it's international income (even though it's not taxable). The banking advice about using major banks and contacting their wealth management division ahead of time is brilliant. I never would have thought about the compliance complications, but that makes perfect sense for transfers this large.

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Great question about CRA reporting requirements! Even though lottery winnings aren't taxable in Canada, you're absolutely right to think about the T1135 form. If your total foreign property (including the US lottery winnings held in US accounts) exceeds $100,000 at any point during the year, you'll need to file T1135 to report it. Also, while the winnings themselves aren't taxable, any investment income you earn from those funds afterward definitely is. So you'll want to keep detailed records of when you received the winnings vs when you started earning investment income from them. For Ontario specifically, I don't believe there are additional provincial reporting requirements beyond the federal ones, since provinces generally follow the federal tax treatment for lottery winnings. But it would be worth confirming with a cross-border tax professional, especially for amounts this large. The timing aspect is interesting too - if you win late in the year, you might want to consider whether to claim immediately or wait until January, depending on your other financial planning considerations for investment income reporting.

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This discussion has been incredibly eye-opening! As someone who occasionally buys tickets when visiting the US for work, I had completely underestimated the complexity of the cross-border tax implications. One aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is estate planning considerations. If a Canadian wins a massive jackpot like this, are there any specific considerations for how these winnings would be treated for inheritance purposes? I'm thinking about both Canadian estate tax implications and whether the US would have any claims on the funds if they're held in US accounts. Also, given the scale we're talking about with a $1.2 billion jackpot, I'm wondering if there are any currency exchange considerations that could significantly impact the final amount. With the CAD/USD exchange rate fluctuating, the timing of when you convert large sums could make a difference of millions of dollars. The advice about working with major banks and their wealth management divisions makes total sense. For something this life-changing, you'd definitely want institutional expertise rather than trying to figure it out with regular retail banking services.

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Excellent points about estate planning and currency exchange! For estate considerations, you'd definitely want to work with professionals who understand both Canadian and US estate laws. The US has estate tax implications for non-residents holding US assets, and with amounts this large, proper structuring could save millions for your heirs. On the currency front, you're absolutely right - with a jackpot this size, even small fluctuations in the CAD/USD rate could mean tens of millions of dollars difference. Some wealth managers offer currency hedging strategies to lock in exchange rates for large transfers, which might be worth considering given the potential volatility. I'd also add that you might want to consider the timing of currency conversion carefully. Rather than converting everything at once, some people work with their wealth management team to develop a systematic conversion strategy over time to minimize exchange rate risk. With amounts this large, you have the luxury of being strategic about timing rather than needing immediate access to all the funds.

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This has been such a comprehensive discussion! I'm amazed by how many nuances there are to cross-border lottery winnings that most people (myself included) never consider. One practical question I haven't seen addressed: what about the logistics of actually getting to claim a massive prize like this? I know someone mentioned you have to appear in person, but for a $1.2 billion jackpot, are there security considerations Canadians should think about? I imagine the lottery organizations have protocols, but traveling back and forth across the border with documentation for a prize this large, plus the inevitable media attention, seems like it could create some unique challenges. Are there services that help with the logistics of prize claiming, or do winners typically work directly with the lottery commission? Also wondering about the timeline - is there pressure to claim quickly, or do you have a reasonable amount of time to get professional advice lined up before making the trip to claim? With all the tax and banking considerations discussed here, it seems like you'd want to have your professional team assembled before claiming rather than figuring it out afterward. The currency hedging strategies mentioned by @Grace Thomas are brilliant - never would have thought about that aspect, but with amounts this large, exchange rate timing could literally be worth more than most people's entire life earnings!

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Great question about the logistics and security! You typically have between 180 days to 1 year to claim depending on the state, so there's definitely time to get your professional team assembled first - which is absolutely the right approach. For security, lottery commissions do have protocols for high-value claims, but as a Canadian you'd want to coordinate with both border agencies about carrying the documentation. Some winners work with security firms that specialize in high-net-worth situations, especially given the media attention that billion-dollar jackpots attract. One thing to consider is that some winners establish a trust or corporation to claim the prize anonymously (where allowed), which can help with both privacy and some of the cross-border structuring issues mentioned earlier. The legal entity can be set up in advance of claiming, which gives you more control over the process. You're absolutely right about having everything lined up beforehand. With amounts this large, every decision from claiming structure to banking relationships to currency hedging could have million-dollar implications. Much better to invest in proper professional advice upfront rather than trying to fix things after the fact!

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This thread has covered so many aspects I never considered! One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been mentioned - what about ongoing professional relationships after winning? If you win as a Canadian, you'd presumably need both US and Canadian tax professionals, wealth managers, estate lawyers, etc. Are there firms that specialize in cross-border lottery winners, or do you typically need to assemble a team from scratch? Also, I'm wondering about the ongoing compliance burden. Beyond the initial claiming and tax implications, are there annual reporting requirements or ongoing US obligations that Canadian winners need to maintain? For instance, if you keep some funds in US investment accounts for diversification, does that create ongoing US tax filing obligations even as a non-resident? The discussion about timing and professional setup before claiming is spot-on. With 180 days to a year to claim, it seems like the smart move would be to spend the first month assembling your professional team and creating a comprehensive plan before ever setting foot in the lottery office. The difference between a hasty claim and a well-structured one could easily be tens of millions of dollars in this scenario. Thanks everyone for such an informative discussion - definitely changing how I think about those "what if" scenarios!

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Excellent questions about ongoing professional relationships! There are indeed some firms that specialize in cross-border high-net-worth situations, though finding ones with specific lottery experience might require some research. Many of the major accounting firms (Big Four) have cross-border tax divisions that handle these complex situations, and they typically work with corresponding wealth management partners. For ongoing US obligations, it's actually quite manageable as a Canadian non-resident. As long as you don't hold US assets that generate significant income (like rental properties), you generally won't have annual US filing requirements. However, if you do keep substantial funds in US investment accounts, you might need to file Form 1040NR annually depending on the income generated. The key is structuring everything properly from the start. Some winners work with cross-border estate planning attorneys to set up holding structures that minimize ongoing compliance while maximizing tax efficiency. Given the amounts involved, even paying substantial professional fees upfront for proper structuring could save millions in the long run. Your point about taking that first month to assemble the right team is absolutely crucial. With prizes this large, the difference between good and great professional advice could literally be generational wealth for your family!

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This has been such an incredibly thorough discussion! As someone who regularly crosses into Michigan to buy tickets, I had no idea about most of these implications. The fact that Canadians might actually fare better than Americans in high-tax states is mind-blowing. One question I haven't seen addressed: what about the practical aspects of managing sudden wealth of this magnitude? Beyond the tax and banking considerations, are there Canadian-specific resources for lottery winners dealing with the psychological and social impacts? I imagine going from regular life to having hundreds of millions creates challenges that most financial advisors aren't equipped to handle. Also wondering about charitable giving strategies. If you wanted to donate a significant portion of winnings, are there cross-border considerations there too? Could you get better tax benefits by donating through US charities versus Canadian ones, especially since the winnings came from the US? The advice about taking time to assemble your professional team before claiming is invaluable. It's counterintuitive because you'd want to claim immediately, but clearly the upfront planning could save enormous amounts in the long run. Thanks to everyone who shared their expertise - this thread should be required reading for any Canadian buying US lottery tickets!

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These are really thoughtful questions about the broader implications! For managing sudden wealth, there are actually some specialized services that focus specifically on lottery winners and the unique challenges they face. Some wealth management firms have dedicated "sudden wealth" divisions that help with everything from security planning to family dynamics. Regarding charitable giving, there can definitely be strategic advantages to consider. As a Canadian, you wouldn't get US tax deductions for charitable donations since you're not filing US tax returns (beyond the initial withholding). However, donations to Canadian registered charities would give you tax credits on your Canadian return against any investment income you earn from the winnings. Some winners establish private foundations that can operate cross-border, which gives more flexibility for charitable activities in both countries. But again, this is where having that professional team assembled beforehand becomes crucial - the structure you choose for claiming can impact your charitable giving options for decades to come. The psychological support aspect is often overlooked but incredibly important. Many lottery commissions actually provide referrals to counselors who specialize in sudden wealth syndrome. With life-changing amounts like this, having professional support for the emotional side is just as important as getting the financial structure right!

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Wow, this has been an absolutely fascinating deep dive into cross-border lottery tax implications! As someone who occasionally buys tickets when visiting family in Buffalo, I had no clue about the complexity involved. One aspect I'm curious about that hasn't been covered - what happens if you win as part of a group/pool? I know some Canadian families or friend groups go in together on tickets. Does the 30% US withholding apply to each person's share individually, or is there additional complexity when the prize is split among multiple Canadian winners? Also, given all the discussion about professional teams and planning, I'm wondering about the cost-benefit analysis. Obviously for a billion-dollar jackpot the professional fees are negligible, but what about smaller wins? At what point does it make sense to invest in cross-border tax professionals versus just accepting the 30% withholding and moving on? The point about sudden wealth support services is something I never would have considered but makes total sense. The financial windfall is one thing, but the life disruption of winning hundreds of millions would be enormous. Having professional guidance for both the money management and the personal adjustment seems crucial. Thanks to everyone who contributed their expertise - this thread has been incredibly educational!

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