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Daniel Price

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ur better off waiting for ur actual refund tbh. these advance loans are just another way for these companies to make $$ off poor people šŸ’…

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some of us dont have a choice tho... bills don't wait

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Zara Ahmed

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I totally get needing your refund fast! If you're set on an advance, I'd definitely go with H&R Block or TurboTax like Madison mentioned. But honestly, if you can swing the $5 for that taxr.ai tool Ella recommended, it might save you from needing an advance at all. Sometimes refunds come way faster than we think, especially if you file early and have direct deposit set up. The IRS has been pretty good about getting refunds out within 21 days if there are no issues with your return.

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Isabel Vega

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This is such good advice! @Zara Ahmed is right about filing early - I filed on Jan 20th last year and got my refund in 16 days with direct deposit. The IRS opens up for e-filing on Jan 27th this year, so if you can wait just a week or two more instead of paying advance fees, you might save yourself some money!

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Make sure you and your parents aren't BOTH claiming you!! My cousin and her mom both claimed her and they both got audited. The IRS gets really mad about this and it's a huge hassle to fix. Talk to your parents before filing!!!! Don't just decide on your own!

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Ethan Moore

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Happened to my roommate too! The IRS sent scary letters and held both refunds. Took like 4 months to sort out and they had to pay penalties.

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Justin Chang

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Hey Omar! I was in almost the exact same situation when I was 22 - living at home, working part-time, parents covering most expenses. Here's what I learned: The IRS has specific tests to determine if you're a dependent, and it sounds like you probably qualify as your parents' dependent since they're providing more than half your support (housing, food, health insurance are usually the biggest expenses). But here's the key thing everyone's touching on - you need to actually RUN THE NUMBERS both ways. Don't just guess! Even if you legally qualify as their dependent, sometimes the family comes out ahead with you filing independently, especially if your parents are in higher tax brackets where benefits phase out. A few things to consider: - If they claim you, they get education credits (American Opportunity Credit can be worth up to $2,500) - Your standard deduction is the same either way ($13,850 for 2023) - But if you file independently, YOU get any education credits instead My advice: Use tax software to model both scenarios before anyone files. Show your parents the numbers - they might actually prefer you file independently if the total family benefit is higher. And definitely coordinate so you don't both claim you (that's an audit nightmare)! The "right" answer depends on your specific numbers, not just the general rules.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar boat as Omar - 21, living at home, working part-time while in school. My parents and I have been going back and forth about this for weeks. Quick question though - when you say "run the numbers both ways," do you literally mean filing two separate tax returns to see the difference? Or is there a simpler way to estimate this without actually going through the whole filing process twice? I'm using TurboTax and it seems like a pain to start over just to compare scenarios. Also, @Omar Hassan - definitely talk to your parents first like everyone s'saying! My friend s'family got into a huge mess last year because they didn t'coordinate and both claimed her. The IRS rejected both returns and it took months to fix.

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This is exactly the situation I found myself in two years ago! Yes, unfortunately your capital gains DO count toward determining which bracket you fall into. With your $337.5K salary plus $1.01M in gains, you'll definitely be pushed into the 20% capital gains bracket for most of those gains. Here's how it works: Your ordinary income gets taxed first at regular rates, then your capital gains get "stacked" on top. The portion of gains that fits between your salary and the $492,300 threshold (about $154,800) gets the 15% rate, and everything above that gets hit with 20%. But here's what really caught me off guard - don't forget about the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax that kicks in at your income level. So you're looking at an effective rate of 23.8% on most of those gains (20% + 3.8%). My advice: definitely make sure you're doing quarterly estimated payments if you haven't already. The underpayment penalties on gains this large can be brutal. I learned that lesson the hard way!

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Thanks for breaking this down so clearly! I'm actually in a similar boat this year and this is super helpful. Quick question - when you mention the quarterly estimated payments, how did you calculate what to pay? I'm worried about underpaying but also don't want to give the government an interest-free loan if I overpay too much. Also, did you end up using any tax-loss harvesting strategies to offset some of the gains? I have some positions that are underwater and wondering if it's worth taking those losses this year to reduce the overall tax hit.

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Natalie Chen

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I went through this exact same situation last year with large capital gains from company stock, and yes, unfortunately the gains do push you into the higher bracket. The way it works is your ordinary income gets taxed first, then capital gains get "stacked" on top to determine which rates apply. With your $337.5K salary plus $1.01M in gains, you'll be well into the 20% capital gains bracket for most of those gains. Only about $155K of your gains (the portion that fills the gap from your salary to the $492,300 threshold) will qualify for the 15% rate. One thing that really helped me was using tax-loss harvesting to offset some gains. If you have any losing positions, consider realizing those losses this year to reduce your overall tax burden. Also, don't forget about the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax that applies at your income level - so you're really looking at 23.8% effective rate on most gains. Definitely recommend making quarterly estimated payments if you haven't already. The penalties on underpayment for gains this large can be significant. The safe harbor rule (paying 110% of last year's tax) might be your best bet to avoid penalties while you figure out the exact amount owed.

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This is really helpful, thanks for sharing your experience! I'm new to dealing with capital gains this large and honestly feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the different tax implications. The 23.8% effective rate (20% + 3.8% NIIT) is definitely higher than I was hoping for when I first thought I'd be in the 15% bracket. Quick question about the tax-loss harvesting - do you have to worry about the wash sale rules when doing this? I have some tech stocks that are down but I'm worried about accidentally triggering wash sale treatment if I buy back similar positions too quickly. Also, is there a limit to how much in losses you can use to offset capital gains in a single year? The quarterly payment advice is spot on - I definitely don't want to get hit with underpayment penalties on top of everything else!

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This is a complex situation that requires careful consideration of multiple factors. As others have mentioned, the IRS scrutinizes self-rental arrangements closely, especially when personal use is involved. Here are the key issues to consider: 1. **Business Purpose Test**: The arrangement must have a legitimate business purpose beyond tax savings. Since you're primarily using it for personal transportation, this could be problematic. 2. **Fair Market Value**: Any rental payments must reflect what you'd pay an unrelated party for similar use. 3. **Documentation**: You'll need formal lease agreements, proper insurance coverage, and detailed mileage logs to support any business use claims. 4. **Passive Activity Rules**: As mentioned by others, the self-rental rules under Section 469 could affect how income and losses are treated. 5. **Liability Protection**: Mixing personal and business use without proper documentation could pierce your LLC's corporate veil. Given these complexities, you might want to consider simpler alternatives: - Keep personal vehicles separate and use standard mileage deduction for business trips - Purchase the vehicle personally and lease it TO your LLC if you have legitimate business use - Consult with a tax professional who specializes in small business taxation The potential audit risks and complexity may outweigh any tax benefits, especially if personal use exceeds business use significantly.

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Oliver Cheng

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This is really helpful, thank you for breaking down all the key issues! I'm starting to think this might be more trouble than it's worth. Just to clarify on one point - when you mention purchasing the vehicle personally and leasing it TO the LLC, wouldn't that create the same self-rental issues you mentioned earlier? Or is there something different about that arrangement that makes it more legitimate from a tax perspective?

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Great question! You're right that leasing TO the LLC can still trigger self-rental issues, but the key difference is the direction of the benefit and legitimate business purpose. If you lease your personal vehicle TO your LLC for legitimate business use (like delivering rental cars, meeting clients, etc.), the LLC pays you rental income and can deduct it as a business expense. The rental income you receive is taxable, but the business gets a legitimate deduction for actual business use. The problematic scenario in the original post was buying through the LLC and then "renting back" for primarily personal use - that's trying to convert personal expenses into business deductions, which is what triggers IRS scrutiny. The "personal to LLC" lease works better when: - The LLC has genuine business need for the vehicle - Rental rate reflects fair market value - Business use is properly documented - You're not trying to write off personal transportation costs But honestly, for most small operations, the standard mileage deduction on business trips using your personal vehicle is usually the cleanest approach. Less paperwork, fewer audit risks, and often comparable tax benefits without the complexity.

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NebulaNova

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I went through this exact situation with my consulting LLC last year. The complexity and potential risks really aren't worth it for primarily personal use vehicles. What I ended up doing was keeping my personal car separate and just tracking business miles with a simple app on my phone. For legitimate business trips (client meetings, picking up supplies, etc.), I claim the standard mileage deduction. It's clean, simple, and audit-friendly. The "rent from my own LLC" approach creates so many potential issues - insurance complications, documentation requirements, passive activity rule complications, and the IRS red flags that everyone mentioned. Plus, if you're audited, you'll spend way more on accounting fees defending the arrangement than you'd ever save in taxes. One other consideration nobody mentioned: if your LLC already has 4 rental vehicles, adding a 5th that's primarily for your personal use could affect your business classification with the IRS. They might start questioning whether this is truly a rental business or just a way to write off personal expenses. My recommendation? Keep it simple. Buy your personal replacement car personally, track your actual business miles, and take the standard deduction. You'll sleep better at night and avoid potential audit headaches.

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Lily Young

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was hoping to find! As someone new to business taxation, I really appreciate hearing from people who've actually been through this situation. The point about potentially affecting your business classification is something I hadn't even considered - that could create way bigger problems than just the vehicle deduction issue. I'm curious though - what app do you use for tracking business miles? I've been looking for something simple that would work well for audit documentation. Also, have you ever been questioned about your mileage deductions, or is it pretty straightforward as long as you keep good records? The more I read through this thread, the more I'm leaning toward your approach. It seems like the "keep it simple" philosophy is the way to go, especially when you're dealing with the IRS!

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now with my new S Corp! Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. It's such a relief to see the consensus that you don't need to file Form 941 until you actually start paying wages. The Form 8822-B recommendation keeps coming up and seems like a no-brainer - definitely adding that to my immediate to-do list. I'd rather be proactive about preventing IRS confusion than deal with notices later. One thing I'm curious about that I haven't seen addressed - for those of you who have S Corps but haven't started paying wages yet, are you doing anything special with bookkeeping or accounting during this "zero wage" period? I'm tracking business expenses and keeping everything separate, but wondering if there are other best practices I should be following to stay organized for when I do start generating revenue. Also, the state-specific requirements mentioned by @Zainab Ismail are definitely something I need to research further. I'm in Florida, so I'll need to check if there are any state-specific S Corp payroll registration requirements here. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been way more helpful than the conflicting advice I was getting elsewhere!

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Sofia Ramirez

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@Scarlett Forster Great question about bookkeeping during the zero-wage period! I m'in a similar boat and have been using QuickBooks to track everything even though there s'minimal activity. I set up separate accounts for business expenses, any equipment purchases, and professional services like (legal/accounting setup costs .)Even though you re'not generating revenue yet, keeping detailed records of your startup expenses is crucial - many of these can be deducted as business expenses on your 1120-S when you file. I m'also tracking mileage for any business-related travel and keeping receipts for everything business-related, no matter how small. For Florida, you re'lucky - from what I understand, FL doesn t'have state income tax so the payroll requirements should be simpler than states like California or New York. But definitely double-check the unemployment insurance and workers comp' requirements when you do start paying wages. The Form 8822-B filing really does seem like a smart preventive move based on everyone s'advice here. Better to spend 30 minutes on that form now than deal with IRS notices later!

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Rachel Tao

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I'm a fellow new S Corp owner and went through this exact same confusion about 3 months ago! After reading through all the great advice here and doing my own research, I can confirm you absolutely do NOT need to file Form 941 until you actually start paying wages to yourself or employees. What really helped me was calling the IRS directly (using one of the callback services mentioned here actually - saved me hours of hold time) and getting official confirmation. The agent was very clear that the Form 941 requirement is triggered by wage payments, not by S Corp election. Here's what I ended up doing based on similar advice: - Filed Form 8822-B to update my business info with the IRS (as @Natalia Stone suggested) - this was a game changer for peace of mind - Set up proper bookkeeping even with zero activity to track startup expenses for future deductions - Made sure I'm staying on top of the annual 1120-S filing requirement (due March 15th for calendar year S Corps) - Researched "reasonable compensation" requirements for when I do start paying myself For anyone hesitant about the Form 8822-B filing - it literally took me 15 minutes and potentially saved me from years of IRS notices about "missing" 941s. Totally worth it. The waiting period while building clients is actually perfect for getting all this administrative stuff sorted out. Hang in there - once the revenue starts flowing, you'll be glad you have all these compliance pieces figured out in advance!

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Sienna Gomez

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This is such a comprehensive summary of what to do during the startup phase! I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference. Your experience with the IRS callback service is really encouraging - I've been dreading trying to call them directly because of the horror stories about wait times. The March 15th deadline for 1120-S is a great reminder too. Even though we're not generating income yet, missing that annual filing could cause major headaches with maintaining S Corp status. One follow-up question - when you filed the Form 8822-B, did you get any kind of confirmation from the IRS that it was processed? I want to make sure there's some record that I've notified them about not having employees yet, in case questions come up later about missing 941s. Thanks for sharing your timeline and action items - it's exactly the kind of practical roadmap I needed to feel confident about moving forward!

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