What does IRS mean when they talk about "Substantial Understatement" for tax audits?
Has anyone here dealt with the IRS using the term "Substantial Understatement" when looking at your taxes? I just got this notice that's talking about my 2023 tax return and they're saying there's a "substantial understatement" of income tax. The letter mentions something about penalties that could be 20% of the underpaid amount. I'm freaking out a bit because I honestly don't understand what they're considering "substantial" here. I reported all my W-2 income and my 1099 from my side gig, but maybe I missed something? The letter mentions Section 6662(d) but when I tried to look that up online I got confused with all the legal jargon. Does anyone know what threshold they use to determine what's "substantial"? And has anyone successfully fought these penalties before? I'm trying to figure out if I need to hire a tax pro or if this is something I can handle on my own.
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Gianni Serpent
I've handled these notices before. A "substantial understatement" penalty applies when the IRS believes you understated your tax liability by the greater of $5,000 or 10% of the tax you should have paid. For example, if you should have paid $20,000 in taxes but only reported and paid $14,000, that's a $6,000 understatement (30%), which would qualify as "substantial." This doesn't necessarily mean you did anything intentionally wrong. The IRS often sends these notices when they receive information (like a 1099 or W-2) that doesn't match what's on your return. Did you maybe forget to report some investment income or a smaller 1099? Sometimes it can be as simple as a typo in the numbers. You have the right to contest this. The notice should include instructions for responding. If you can show you had "reasonable cause" and acted in good faith, you might get the penalty waived.
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Henry Delgado
•So what counts as "reasonable cause"? I once got a similar notice because my stock broker sent a corrected 1099-B after I already filed my taxes. Would that be enough to waive penalties?
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Gianni Serpent
•For "reasonable cause," the IRS looks at whether you exercised ordinary business care and prudence but still couldn't comply with tax laws. Your broker sending a corrected 1099-B after you filed would typically qualify as reasonable cause, especially if the change wasn't substantial and you had no way to know about the correction before filing. Other examples include relying on incorrect advice from a tax professional, serious illness that prevented proper filing, or unavoidable absence (like military deployment). Document everything - when you received the original form, when the correction came, and any other relevant details. Always respond to the notice before the deadline to avoid additional penalties.
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Olivia Kay
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Joshua Hellan
•Does it work for business returns too? I have an S-Corp and those notices are even more confusing.
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Jibriel Kohn
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Olivia Kay
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Jibriel Kohn
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Edison Estevez
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
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James Johnson
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James Johnson
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Sophia Rodriguez
Something to consider that hasn't been mentioned - if you have documentation showing you reported everything correctly, you should absolutely challenge this! The IRS makes mistakes ALL THE TIME. Last year they sent me a similar notice claiming I had "substantially understated" my income by not reporting a 1099-R distribution, but I had included it on the correct line of my return. I sent them a detailed response with copies of my return highlighting where I had reported the amount and a copy of the 1099-R form. They reversed the entire penalty about 8 weeks later. Don't automatically assume you're in the wrong!
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Mia Green
•How exactly did you format your response? Did you use any specific IRS forms or just write a letter explaining the situation?
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Sophia Rodriguez
•I wrote a formal letter that referenced the notice number and my tax ID at the top. I didn't use a specific IRS form, but made sure my letter was very clear and organized. I started with a direct statement: "I am writing to request abatement of the substantial understatement penalty because all income was properly reported on my original return." Then I included a table showing exactly where each item appeared on my return with line numbers and amounts. I attached highlighted copies of both my filed return and the 1099 forms, with the relevant numbers circled. I find that making it super easy for them to see the evidence increases your chances of success. Don't make them hunt for information or they might just deny your request due to lack of clear documentation.
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Emma Bianchi
Has anyone used tax software to help deal with these kinds of notices? I'm wondering if TurboTax or H&R Block have any special features for responding to IRS letters about substantial understatement.
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Lucas Kowalski
•Most tax software doesn't have great features for handling notices after filing. TurboTax has an "audit support" feature but it's pretty basic - mostly just gives you general guidance. H&R Block offers actual representation if you pay for their Peace of Mind extended service, but that's something you have to purchase when you file, not after you get a notice.
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